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#1 its Paul

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 07:28 PM

Has any one fitted a 330mm brake kit to there LX ?

I�m having clearance issues, every thing I�ve read says that the stubs have to be swapped over left to right, and the callipers sit towards the rear of the wheel, but if I do this the calliper clashes with the sub-frame, if I reverse it, put callipers towards the front of the wheel, the calliper clashes with the upper control arm.

Has anyone had this little pickle?


PS: It�s a UC sub-frame and upper & lower control arms, HX tonner stubs & Harrop arms.

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 08:01 PM

Probably the rason for the clash is those stubs
Cause they put the centreline of the rotor higher and the caliper closer to the top arms etc than a Torana stub

But its been done

Is it a Hoppers ?
So its the Ford caliper ?

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 08:57 PM

im pretty sure mine are 330mm,with a 6 spot caliper,facing forward.fits inside a 16 inch rim.only just clears,the controll arms.same set up as yours.want pics ?.

id have to measure my disk to make sure its 330mm

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 09:01 PM

No it�s not Hoppers, & am sure they are ford callipers but will check in the morning.

Can the UCA be scalloped? I have seen HQ's with a 330mm brake kit and the UCA had to be scalloped.

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 09:08 PM

Yeah I had a look at yours Chris, we have the same setup other than the callipers.

I don�t think it will make a difference but I have the UCA is in the lower hole position, if you know what I mean.

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 09:15 PM

What does the supplier of your kit say..... besides "bugger off it fits " ?

Pics of caliper would assist

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 09:24 PM

I�ll talk to the supplier in the morning and will let you know the outcome.

Been trying to upload some pics for the last hour and a half, Bigpond have slowed me down, they cant let me get too much value for me money.
The month starts again on Wednesday, so I guess I will be able to upload some pics then.

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 09:31 PM

The No.1 race car did the same..added some tags on the lowers and lost some turning circle. It did it with the Wilwoods too..

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 09:41 PM

ASS308 (Chris) has 6pot wilwoods and his doesn�t hit.

Did you have HX stubs Rory?

And what have you done to No.2 as far as brakes goes?

Guess I could send them back and get smaller rotors (kit), which will be my last resort.

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Posted 05 April 2010 - 10:33 PM

Yes...
and the same..on 2
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Posted 06 April 2010 - 07:40 AM

i know what u mean by lower holes.im sure my uca is in the lower holes to

sorry no willwoods here.i was told there not to good.i was told they flex,for serious use

my calipers are small.the smallest 6 spots u can get,i was told.they arent a "brand name".they are custom made by penrith brake and clutch.and they work flogging fantastic

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why dont u get a set of those paul

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 07:34 PM

Thanks Chris, PM sent.

I spoke to old mate who sold me the kit, he said that I could mount the upper ball joint under the UCA as opposed to on top,
that should give me around 10 to 15mm less in height and scallop out a small section of the UCA to clear the top of the calliper.

Also could get a small mounting block to put between the UCA and the ball joint, this will raise the UCA more with out raising the ride height
and allow the calliper to clear the UCA with out cutting a scallop in it.

Has any one seen or heard of this method before??

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 07:48 PM

Entirely possible and I believe that there are/were spindle extenders that effectively do the same thing. But, I'd be making certain that I know what the effect on wheel and steering alignment during suspension travel will be as this will modify it. Perhaps for the better...?: http://www.cardomain.com/ride/480776/2

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Posted 07 April 2010 - 07:05 PM

I must have misunderstood old mate, as the ball joint is under the UCA :dontknow:

Here are some photos of the set up.

Here you can see where the calliper hits the UCA
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If I put the callipers on the rear they hit this lump (technical term) on the sub frame
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Posted 07 April 2010 - 07:40 PM

Normally the ball joint sits on top of the arm, yours has been changed already.

What is the clearance like at ride height? Its not ideal but if it clears by a bit at ride height _and_ you would never use that enough steering lock for it to contact at any height under anything but ultra low-speed situations (three point turns, U turns, driveways) you may get away with it.

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Posted 07 April 2010 - 07:51 PM

It�s not able to sit at ride height at the moment there is one vital piece missing. :blink2:

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Posted 07 April 2010 - 08:55 PM

when it hits,did u bring your steering arm all the way over to the stop on the lower control arm ?my arms dont hit the stop on the lower control arm.stop short by about half an inch

the upper controll arms are on the bump stops in those photos 2.u really need the vital piece,and your rack hooked up.

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Posted 07 April 2010 - 09:28 PM

That�s a good point about the steering arms Chris, as it is at the moment it�s about 3/4 an inch away from the stop when the calliper hits.

I�m waiting on my flywheel, hope to get it back this week, with that I could drop the motor and box in giving me a ride height.

If that fails I may be able to make some offset adaptor brackets to lower the callipers, :dontknow: Just a thought.

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 06:05 AM

I doubt you'll want to lower the calipers as they'll foul at the bottom which will be harder to remedy. Seems like the brakes are on hold until you've got a few bits around them

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 12:53 PM

HEY ASS308, nice looking calipers.but i think they are from taiwan not penrith.its no problem,i have some similar and yes ,very high quality.can you tell me the piston sizes,just out of interest,please.mervex

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 01:49 PM

They look like VE calipers to me

I'm not a fan of this guys kits... thats widely known
Its not uncommon to notch the upper arm for some clearance

Strangely though this larger caliper fits no dramas on a Torana spindle with 330 disc (thinner caliper though)
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Posted 08 April 2010 - 06:54 PM

hey mervex

spot on.they are made overseas.if i gave the impression he made them in sorry.i kept pushing him for a brand,when i was buying.he keep saying they were made overseas custom for him.they were on a lot of his

customers rally cars,i spoke to a few owners who were running them,all of them loved them compared to what they were running before

if u can shed some light on where these things come from please do.

pistion sizes have long since been forgotten. if u are desperate ill ring him and ask

they are also available in 4 spot.i was tempted but wanted to be able to put a 16 inch rim on.4 spots would have meant min 17 inch rim min.plus the extra money i didnt have

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 07:20 PM

I think I'll pull out the Brembos and see how they would fit.

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 10:26 PM

They look like HiSpec calipers out of UK
If your guy in Penrith has the initials KG then thats likely what they are... or he's had Chinese copies made

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Posted 09 April 2010 - 07:41 AM

hey datto, have you had any contact with the Hi-spec calipers? any good? my brother is in london for a while.Should i tell him to bring some back?Are they worthwhile to check them out? The "penrith" calipers probly come from taiwan, not cheapy china.if you look at alibaba.com then search brake calipers,voila!! there are maybe 20 brake manufactuers. they also sell to others in europe,surprise,surprise!!mervex




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