Hello again members,
This rebuild is starting to give me the shits, what I now need to find is a Rat Trap suitable for my LX 308 with an Aussie 4 speed. There is one on e-bay that I am bidding on but with a few hours to go I feel that the price will skyrocket.
Have a lead on an after market one that is much stronger but I would really love to get the original, any helpers.
Thanks Mars
Rat Trap V8
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, Feb 13 2008 03:15 PM
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Posted 13 February 2008 - 03:40 PM
wow. just checked out the item on ebay... didnt know these were worth much? its nearing 300! where abouts are you? theres a guy round the corner who wrecks old holdens he may have one. can pass on his name and number if you like.
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Posted 13 February 2008 - 03:58 PM
you mean this one?
http://cgi.ebay.com....1QQcmdZViewItem
I think you will find its the HJ/HX type and I dont think they fit.
You will need this one, genuine Torana
The first and second pics are repro the last genuine.
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Mike
http://cgi.ebay.com....1QQcmdZViewItem
I think you will find its the HJ/HX type and I dont think they fit.
You will need this one, genuine Torana
The first and second pics are repro the last genuine.
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Posted 13 February 2008 - 04:04 PM
Further to previous post here is the cable to go with the genuine one, you will notice the difference from the ebay pic
May cause some problems fitting to the pedal end?
Mike
May cause some problems fitting to the pedal end?
Mike
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Posted 13 February 2008 - 04:36 PM
Or you could shoot me a PM.
I have a hydraulic set up for sale.
I have a hydraulic set up for sale.
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Posted 13 February 2008 - 07:39 PM
it looks HX,Z to me, way over pticed
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Posted 13 February 2008 - 07:53 PM
SLRMike has the original one pictured (against bricks) been modified
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Posted 13 February 2008 - 08:37 PM
I'd say yes, seems to have an extra bracket welded to it does'nt it?
It's the only pic of an original I have to show the differences between that and a repro
It's the only pic of an original I have to show the differences between that and a repro
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Posted 13 February 2008 - 09:17 PM
so the HJ/HX type that was on ebay doesn't fit? if so where do you get the repro's from? i suppose ill find out the hard way if it fits our not when i do a trial fit of my running gear soon.
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Edited by toryman76, 13 February 2008 - 09:18 PM.
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Posted 13 February 2008 - 09:57 PM
Thanks SLRMike Just checking, The top one looks right with the 2 holes but may not be genuine.
I asked because trying to work out what will work with the supra box as the one like the top doesn't.
Wonder if one like on ebay can be fitted with the lever part without the hook to suit the torana cable.
Thanks for the pics also they help a bit.
I asked because trying to work out what will work with the supra box as the one like the top doesn't.
Wonder if one like on ebay can be fitted with the lever part without the hook to suit the torana cable.
Thanks for the pics also they help a bit.
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Posted 13 February 2008 - 10:02 PM
I recollect the HJ/X type bolting to the body/chassis rail to get the pivot, only ever seen one still attached to the car.
I suppose its up to the buyer to check these things first but on the other hand its advertised as a V8 Torana cable clutch setup and its clearly not, so is there a comeback through ebay of not making the purchase based on the fact the item is not as described? Personally I would ring ebay customer support, live chat they call it and discuss. If it was sold in a shop as described and it was not fit for purpose that is was the wrong part you would be entitled to a refund. Of course you can try a fitment and I may be completely wrong so in the spirit of the day, I'm sorry.
Mike
I suppose its up to the buyer to check these things first but on the other hand its advertised as a V8 Torana cable clutch setup and its clearly not, so is there a comeback through ebay of not making the purchase based on the fact the item is not as described? Personally I would ring ebay customer support, live chat they call it and discuss. If it was sold in a shop as described and it was not fit for purpose that is was the wrong part you would be entitled to a refund. Of course you can try a fitment and I may be completely wrong so in the spirit of the day, I'm sorry.
Mike
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Posted 14 February 2008 - 09:15 PM
what is the part number of that cable pictured? and where abouts does it go through the firewall?Further to previous post here is the cable to go with the genuine one, you will notice the difference from the ebay pic
May cause some problems fitting to the pedal end?
Mike
also heres another one from ebay... looks to be a HJ/HX type again?
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Posted 14 February 2008 - 09:36 PM
Part No CC102 suit Torana V8
Part No CC103 suit HJ-HX V8 sedan
I believe the 102/103 is the measurement in CM of the inner cable.
Available from:
86 Stubbs St.
KENSINGTON, VIC 3031
T: (03) 9381-9222
F: (03) 9376-5859
Email: [email protected]
You can also order them through Bursons and probably Repco at extra cost.
The Part No's work at Bursons.
Part No CC103 suit HJ-HX V8 sedan
I believe the 102/103 is the measurement in CM of the inner cable.
Available from:
86 Stubbs St.
KENSINGTON, VIC 3031
T: (03) 9381-9222
F: (03) 9376-5859
Email: [email protected]
You can also order them through Bursons and probably Repco at extra cost.
The Part No's work at Bursons.
Edited by rodomo, 14 February 2008 - 09:47 PM.
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Posted 14 February 2008 - 09:59 PM
thanks rodomo.
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Posted 14 February 2008 - 11:14 PM
Rare Spares also have the cable, around the $75-$80 mark. Sorry dont know the part number.
In the first pic you will see how the 6 cyl clutch linkage bolts to the fire wall
You will note in veiw A the nut and bolt holding the bracket.
In the second pic you will see the V8 clutch linkage
You will note the same nut and washer and existing bolt on the firewall the same as the six.
From memory the firewall is double plated at this point with the exception of the hole you see in the second pic for the cable to run thru. This area is single skin firewall and if you look from the underdash you will see the 'cutout' section. It will be a matter of drilling or cutting this pre marked section/hole.
Hope that helps
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In the first pic you will see how the 6 cyl clutch linkage bolts to the fire wall
You will note in veiw A the nut and bolt holding the bracket.
In the second pic you will see the V8 clutch linkage
You will note the same nut and washer and existing bolt on the firewall the same as the six.
From memory the firewall is double plated at this point with the exception of the hole you see in the second pic for the cable to run thru. This area is single skin firewall and if you look from the underdash you will see the 'cutout' section. It will be a matter of drilling or cutting this pre marked section/hole.
Hope that helps
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Posted 15 February 2008 - 10:33 AM
thats exactly what i was after Mike. thanks heaps. mine was originally the 6 cyl setup with the pedal 'cable' going though the hole in near the steering column as pictured and could never work out where the cable for a v8 went. next time im out there i will look for the 'cutout' you mentioned. where abouts did you get your repro rat trap from?
thanks again,
toryman76
thanks again,
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Posted 19 February 2008 - 09:16 PM
had a look for this 'cutout' under the dash and couldn't see it. mine appears to be double skinned around that bolt/nut area.
also got the engine on the cross member for a trial fit up of the running gear today and bloody hell its tight around the drivers side! and thats with it all out of the car. anyway the idea was to check to see if the clutch mechanism (from HJ i believe) i had would fit and i can tell you it doesn't. it fouls badly on the extractor. also the extractor seemed to be quite a tight fit with the sway bar on the drivers side too. what could be causing this?
heres a photo of the rat trap:
also got the engine on the cross member for a trial fit up of the running gear today and bloody hell its tight around the drivers side! and thats with it all out of the car. anyway the idea was to check to see if the clutch mechanism (from HJ i believe) i had would fit and i can tell you it doesn't. it fouls badly on the extractor. also the extractor seemed to be quite a tight fit with the sway bar on the drivers side too. what could be causing this?
heres a photo of the rat trap:
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Posted 24 February 2008 - 05:16 PM
can definately confirm that the half rat-trap setup i have pictured does not fit. everything was looking good until i checked the steering uni clearance. no way will it ever work. ive got no idea how that guy from ebay could claim his (identical to mine) was from a torana. anyway hope this helps.
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Edited by toryman76, 24 February 2008 - 05:17 PM.
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Posted 25 February 2008 - 05:28 AM
The other way I have done this before is to use a mid HZ-WB or VB-VK all cable V8 bellhousing and a UC pedal and cable. Unfortunately Holden didn't build a V8 UC or they would have already made a V8 pedal like they did in HZ/WB and Commodore so you have to modify the 6cyl one to get full clutch travel. The hook on the UC pedal needs to be moved a little further away from the pedal pivot, about 10mm or so.
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Posted 06 March 2008 - 04:09 PM
yel327 - have you got any pictures of this modified pedal you speak of?
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Posted 06 March 2008 - 07:03 PM
There is a V8 cable set up for a Torana on E-bay at the moment, 5 days to go
Ian
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Edited by trna76hb, 06 March 2008 - 07:04 PM.
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Posted 06 March 2008 - 07:56 PM
do you have a link for the item Ian? i cant seem to find it in my searches...
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Posted 07 March 2008 - 06:37 PM
I dont know how to attach link, but here is the Item number: 120229713881
Hope that helps, if not i will get the wife to show me how to link this.
Ian
Hope that helps, if not i will get the wife to show me how to link this.
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Posted 07 March 2008 - 08:50 PM
yep i can see it now.
thanks
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