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#1 _Herne_

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Posted 16 February 2009 - 06:02 PM

Hi Guys

I am currently having some VY Commodore seats recovered (herringbone and black) to suit my Tangerine Dream. ( '77 LX Sedan)

I know people here have fitted these seats before so can you please give me a detailed how to complete with photo's if you have any?

So far the only usable info I have is:
" still use adjustable rails but put in some flat universal ones, the curved Torana ones are near impossible to adapt to anything".
This info kindly came from 76lxhatch.

My mechanic would appreciate any info you can give us.

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Herne

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Posted 16 February 2009 - 06:24 PM

I've got no info but a bit of a tip.
Look through the back window from a distance to make sure they are level to the car before commiting to mods.

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Posted 16 February 2009 - 06:36 PM

Hopefully we will remember to do that, thanks Rob.

I think these seats were installed by someone here (they are the same style as the ones I have)

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It would be great if this person could tell me what he did in some detail. BTW that;s a damn nice job, looks great. I will try to keep the golfball door cards though as they do look good :)

Also looking for comments and how to's from others too of course, I am sure a few have done this mod successfully.

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Edited by Herne, 16 February 2009 - 06:44 PM.


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Posted 16 February 2009 - 06:57 PM

herne, just as a matter of interest and since your talking about seats and your desire to find an easier way to get in and out of your car. i was going through a catalog here in s.a. from a company in n.s.w. that has swivell cushions to put on your seat to make it easier to get out and in i suppose, they do quote ( for people with bad hips ) just a thought

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Posted 16 February 2009 - 07:00 PM

herne, just as a matter of interest and since your talking about seats and your desire to find an easier way to get in and out of your car. i was going through a catalog here in s.a. from a company in n.s.w. that has swivell cushions to put on your seat to make it easier to get out and in i suppose, they do quote ( for people with bad hips ) just a thought

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Yeah thanks Mark, depends what they are, if they are anything like the Lazy-Susan idea that was around 20 yrs ago I can verify they are not particularly good.

I have yet to see a good practical idea though one must surely exist.

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Posted 16 February 2009 - 08:42 PM

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Posted 16 February 2009 - 08:59 PM

Herne I have put VN-VS seats into an HJ and HZ before (not sure if the VY seats are the same). The rails on the VN-VS seats are flat, however the holes are around 1/2" wider side to side in the floor pan than on the seat, and much further apart front and rear. I got around this by removing one of the spot welded spacers from the outside rail and re-welding in a suitable spot (can't remember whether I moved the front or rear one), this side used the original allen head bolts. On the inside I removed both spacers and welded some thick flat steel angle brackets to the rail which made up the height required and you can just sneak a short bolt under the edge of the rail through this bracket (which in my case was a corner chopped of some old ute corner bumperette brackets!) I realise this is a bit hard to visualise but I don't have any photos or the vehicle(s) still. If you like I can draw up a diagram though. Also note that with these seats the inside rail on the passenger seat is approx 1 inch higher to suit the asymmetrical Commodore floor pan, I got some longer bolts and put some spacers between the rail and the seat.

Now all that info above assumes that the HQ floor pan holes are the same as Torana. I suspect they are but not sure, maybe someone else can confirm?

As far as Torana floor pans and rails go, my comment as above stands. I put some aftermarket seats in my hatch, and used the universal flat rails that came with them. These rails are closer together side to side, needing larger brackets to suit the original holes in the floor but that actually makes things easier. At the front they sit almost on the floor, with a couple of flat steel tabs that are welded to the underside of the rail and have a hole for a short bolt to go into the floor pan. You could lift them a little higher than this as this is lower than factory but I found it very good as I don't hit my knees on the steering wheel any more! The original Torana rails as mentioned are curved, which makes up for the big drop in the floor pan behind the reinforcing part. With flat rails the brackets need to raise the rear of the seat to make up for this (several inches) but are otherwise a similar setup to the front. I used cut off pieces of HZ ute bumperette brackets (centre ones this time) that are a U shape of sorts with two feet so that the seat is supported both sides of each rail, only the outside feet bolt to the floor.

I can't find any pics of the Torana on my computer either, but will take some in the morning if you like. I hope you can follow at least some of my gobbledygook.

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Posted 16 February 2009 - 09:51 PM

Thanks 76lxhatch that info should be a big help to Danny my sponsor/mechanic. I have to admit it doesn't get through to me but then I am not that mechanically minded. I will print out your written instructions

Any drawings or photo's you can find will be very helpful and passed on.

Cheers and thanks
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Posted 17 February 2009 - 07:26 AM

Try this. Photos are of crummy Monza seats in my hatch - first pic is outside of driver's seat looking back at the front bracket:

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This one is also outside of driver's seat looking forward at the rear bracket:

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You could probably make something nicer, I just used pieces of old bumper bar brackets as they were lying around and certainly fit the bill for over-engineering. The inside brackets are exactly the same (except mirrored), the seat is centred over the original holes in the floor pan.

Here is my diagram of how I adapted the VN-VS seats to HQ-WB (a bit higher res so hopefully you can read it):

https://cache.gmh-to...8comp/seats.jpg

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Posted 17 February 2009 - 08:19 AM

Try this. Photos are of crummy Monza seats in my hatch - first pic is outside of driver's seat looking back at the front bracket:

Here is my diagram of how I adapted the VN-VS seats to HQ-WB (a bit higher res so hopefully you can read it):

https://cache.gmh-to...8comp/seats.jpg


Ahh thanks mate, that will be a damn good help. When and if we meet up I owe you a beer or three.

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Posted 17 February 2009 - 09:44 AM

Glad I could help, I'll be keeping an eye out on your thread to see what you come up with

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Posted 17 February 2009 - 10:32 AM

If am there and not busy when he fits them, I will try and take some photo's, should have my first seat back from the trimmers by the end of next week. I am giving him one seat at a time as my priority is to get the drivers seat fitted and tested before the hillclimbs.

I got the story wrong too.... My mechanic wasn't so much worried about making up the brackets, it was whether the Commodore seats actually fitted into a Torry.

He now has a copy of the above photo showing the seats fitted.

Looking at your photo's and drawings it all started to make sense to me.

Jeremy filled me in today stating I had got the question wrong :) Typical of me lol



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Edited by Herne, 17 February 2009 - 10:38 AM.


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Posted 17 February 2009 - 04:33 PM

They say that if you don't hear any good stories by lunchtime you should make one up... :)

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Posted 17 February 2009 - 09:13 PM

I put SAAS seats (which have flat bases) in my LH using the original Tory curved rails.
I welded some 40mm square RHS (square tube) (notched at the ends to sit on top of the rails while keeping the flat base of the seats as low as possible) between the rails to match up to the holes in the bottom of the seats. The RHS had to be of similar wall thickness to the original rails and the bolt holes had to be sleeved.
This was acceptable to my engineer and I have them blue plated.
It seemed alot easier to me than sourcing new rails and modifying them to suit.

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Posted 17 February 2009 - 09:41 PM

Not sure what you are suggesting?? That I use SAAS seats? I have not seen SAAS seats that suit me at all.

I purchased Commodore seats over 12 months ago which fit my physical frame... They are going in.

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Edited by Herne, 17 February 2009 - 09:43 PM.


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Posted 17 February 2009 - 09:51 PM

Just saying that you can use the original runners if you want, it's not that hard. It's just another option rather than modifying the Commode rails.
I'm all for you using the chairs that are comfy for you (that's why I chose the seats I did).
If you need I may be able to get some pics up, I've been meaning to get some pics of my car up on the site, this may be the excuse I need to actually get around to it.
Up to you, dude.

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Posted 17 February 2009 - 10:17 PM

Just saying that you can use the original runners if you want, it's not that hard. It's just another option rather than modifying the Commode rails.
I'm all for you using the chairs that are comfy for you (that's why I chose the seats I did).
If you need I may be able to get some pics up, I've been meaning to get some pics of my car up on the site, this may be the excuse I need to actually get around to it.
Up to you, dude.


ahh thanks for that, I didnt properly understand and yes I am all for people showing me what they have done after all it will make life easy for my mechanic (I hope). Some photo's would be very handy if its no trouble.
jeremy spoke to my mechanic today and suggested he try and get some rails that can be electrically operated. They would be handy but I have yet to speak to my mechanic about them after all he has the job of fitting no matter what we decide on and no doubt he wont want to complicate his bracket making etc.

Its all good so please people keep the ideas, drawings and photo's coming. We have at least a week before we might be looking at fitting these seats as they are in at the trimmers now.

Cheers
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Posted 18 February 2009 - 12:02 PM

Hey herne, Craig has just put VE seats into his hatch. The tinyest of mods needed, a little welding and 1 drill hole to each seat and they bolt up to the existing floor holes. Took him a couple of hours total and that includes all the electrics the seats have. Im sure your bases are similar.

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Posted 18 February 2009 - 12:09 PM

Hey herne, Craig has just put VE seats into his hatch. The tinyest of mods needed, a little welding and 1 drill hole to each seat and they bolt up to the existing floor holes. Took him a couple of hours total and that includes all the electrics the seats have. Im sure your bases are similar.



Hi mate thats excellent news :) Looking forward to getting mine in and testing them.

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Posted 18 February 2009 - 08:42 PM

Hey herne, Craig has just put VE seats into his hatch. The tinyest of mods needed, a little welding and 1 drill hole to each seat and they bolt up to the existing floor holes. Took him a couple of hours total and that includes all the electrics the seats have. Im sure your bases are similar.


What happens to the side airbags in a case like this?

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Posted 18 February 2009 - 09:37 PM

What airbags??? The ones I have are VY... Don't think they exist on the VY :)

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Posted 19 February 2009 - 06:05 AM

Some (don't know if all) models definitely had side airbags

edit: if you bought them from someone who half knew what they were doing, they are probably already disabled (like steering wheel ones are supposed to be)

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Posted 20 February 2009 - 04:55 PM

Do you have the Commode runners? If so, that sounds easier than what I've done.
That pic you put up earlier does look sweet, especially with all the matching SS gear.
I'll still try to get the pics of mine up if you want them, but it sounds like you're going down a different path.
Either way, best of luck! :spoton:




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