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#1 _youngy_11_

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Posted 07 July 2009 - 12:40 PM

Hi,

Just in the process of ordering some showwheels streeter wheels for my unflared LX hatch.

To my dissappointment it looks like a cannot run a 8inch wheel on the rear with the offsets/backspacing they offer.

My measurement from the mounting face to the lip is 105mm, they only offer the 17x8 with a backspacing of 4.75" which means the distance from the mounting face to the outer lip of the guard is 108mm.

So it looks like im going to have to run with 17x7's all round :cry:.

Whats the widest rubber I can fit on a 17x7??

Any other opinions?

What wheels have other people fitted that have done the skyline R31 diff conversion?

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Posted 07 July 2009 - 12:54 PM

Mine is flared, but I had to get the 15x10 rears modified from 4.25" to 5.25" backspace to fit comfortably without rubbing the flares.

You could quite happily run 225s or maybe 235s on a 7" wheel.

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Posted 07 July 2009 - 01:00 PM

I run 235s on my 14 x 7s. But I believe you can run 245s.

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Posted 07 July 2009 - 01:02 PM

Ok.

I still have the backing plates, but they only substitute like 2mm at the most.

I will just go the 7inch ones. Thats quite good if I can fit 235's thats what I was after in the first place.

Thanks mate.

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Posted 07 July 2009 - 01:04 PM

+2 mitch thanks mate

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Posted 07 July 2009 - 01:12 PM

Rang a couple of tyre places. If I run a bigger profile ie. 50 instead of 45 I can fit the 235. But the overall diameter is 668 which could pose problems but I will get around them when the time come.

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Posted 07 July 2009 - 01:15 PM

you could also machine so meat off the back of the rim

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Posted 07 July 2009 - 01:17 PM

But the overall diameter is 668

mm? That is very big, might be a problem

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Posted 07 July 2009 - 02:13 PM

Good idea Gary. I need to have another good look and measure. A see if they will machine it off. They do have CNC capabilities there.

Yeah That overall diameter could be a problem with the tyre.

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Posted 07 July 2009 - 04:13 PM

There looks to be quite alot of "meat" on the mounting face, of the disk. Could I get 5mm machined off this surface to bring the wheel in??


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Posted 07 July 2009 - 07:41 PM

Actually I'm sure I recall Rory mentioning something about machining the discs to do that

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Posted 07 July 2009 - 07:47 PM

I wouldn't mod the discs

Its cast iron and not exactly the best quality
And you'd have to do it every time you need to change them
Do the wheels and you only have to do it once...and they will be a better grade of alloy thats better machined

Of course... get a pro to look at this first

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Posted 07 July 2009 - 08:54 PM

I think you will need more than 5 mm removed to avoid tyre rub.

I have Toyo T1R 235/40/17 fitted on an 8" rim, the tyre overhangs the rim by 2-3 mm. There is a 35 mm gap between the tyre and the outside of the wheel arch. When the car is on the bump stops the tyre is within a few mm of the inner guard. It would appear the lip is about 20 mm wide which means you would need to be around 15 mm inside the lip to avoid tyre rub.

Based on your measurements you would need to remove 5 mm (108-105+2) to stop the tyre touching the lip and 20 mm to stop the tyre from touching the inner guard. If you need to have the car engineered with the rims then you may get knocked back for insufficient tyre clearance. You should also keep in mind the the diff will move at least 5 mm for side to side during moderate cornering. You should check that the diff is not sitting off centre when you take your measurements.

The 17x7 4.5 backspace with a 225/45/17 (OD 633 mm) may be the easiest solution.

There may be enough spline on the factory axles for you to be able to trim 20 mm of the end of each axle and shorten the housing.

Edited by ls2lxhatch, 07 July 2009 - 08:57 PM.


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Posted 07 July 2009 - 10:02 PM

There may be enough spline on the factory axles for you to be able to trim 20 mm of the end of each axle and shorten the housing.

10mm maybe, definitely not 20mm

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Posted 08 July 2009 - 07:58 AM

I took some more measurements last night as yes the clearance from the mounting face to the inner lip of the rolled guard is 105mm on BOTH sides. I realise what you are saying ls2lxhatch as the inner guard tapers back with the body of the car.

Im not keen on stuffing around with the axels.

And I don't think they would be able to machine off around 20mm lol.

Tony from showwheels has suggested I fit the 17x7 with a 4.25" backspace which means the distance from the wheels mounting face and outer lip is 95mm.

So from ls2lxhatch's comments this 10mm clearance would not be enough?

If so the 17x7 with 4.5" BS will be the only option. This gives 88mm from wheel mounting face to outer lip. And without tyre 17mm clearance.

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Edited by youngy_11, 08 July 2009 - 08:01 AM.


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Posted 08 July 2009 - 10:45 AM

It would also be worth checking what the track will be with the 4.25" and 4.5" backspace. I am not sure what the NSW rules are however in WA you can not reduce track and can only increase track by a maximum of 25 mm. The standard track puts the rim close to the centre of the wheel tub.

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I would also check the clearance between the shock and the tyre with both rims. There should be plenty of room but it is still worth checking.

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Posted 08 July 2009 - 10:59 AM

Ls2lxhatch. There is plenty of room between the mounting face and the first point of contact which is the chassi rail.

Distance is 145mm. With the 4.5" BS the distance from the mounting face of the wheel to the inner lip is 114mm. So I have 30mm to play with here and 17mm on the outer lip.

As for the track im not too sure. The track would be more in my case.

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Posted 08 July 2009 - 02:19 PM

The first point of contact on the inside of my rear wheel is the shock, I had to switch to smaller diameter shocks to get sufficient tyre clearance.

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Posted 09 July 2009 - 07:24 AM

In my case I am sure that the first point of contact was the rear chassi rail as shown below,

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The wheels here are commodore 17's with 235/45 rubber.

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Posted 09 July 2009 - 07:42 AM

There's no way an 8" wheel with 4.75" backspace will get that close on the inside

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Posted 09 July 2009 - 10:29 AM

Yeah thats right. But the problem is the outer lip as we discussed earlier. I need an 8inch wheel with a backspacing of about 5.5". Bummer!!!

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Posted 09 July 2009 - 11:26 AM

ORDERED 17x7 4.5" BS. Thanks for all the help guys

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Posted 09 July 2009 - 07:58 PM

Have you got coil-overs fitted or something?
I had to move my shockies in a little to fit my 17"x8" showwheels, and roll the guard lip, but they are nowhere near that close to the rail, and my diff is 20mm narrower than standard.
Your diff could be a lot narrower than most, maybe?
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Posted 09 July 2009 - 09:29 PM

Whether the shock or the chassis rail hits first depends on the diameter of the tyre. Tyres with a large rolling diameter will hit the chassis rail before they hit the shock. Tyres with a small rolling diameter will hit the shock first.

The shock in the car above has been moved inboard about 40 mm at the base as part of the BW diff conversion. This will result in a small improvement in the clearance at the top a the shock.

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Posted 09 July 2009 - 10:53 PM

I have BW in mine, and shocks sat in original position, but had to be moved in a bit to fit properly.




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