i was just wondering if all lx's had anti intrusion bars in the doors as i have been told only the sports models did?
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Posted 09 April 2006 - 01:32 PM
Not to sure keaton , i do know that the very early LHs didnt have any
i had a lh 3/74 light wait bodySLR, It was the same as the L34 body
i had a lh 3/74 light wait bodySLR, It was the same as the L34 body
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Posted 09 April 2006 - 01:38 PM
maybe late LX..but certainly all UC doors have the bars in them.
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Posted 09 April 2006 - 03:40 PM
The bars came out standard as part of ADR somehwere between 76 and 77 not 100% sure on date unless I look into it, but its not just torana's, every vehicle built from that day forward will have the bars fitted, whether it be an A9X, volvo, toyota corolla or a Kia, for any car to be produced it needs to comply to the ADR's applicable from that day forward.
So if your car has the intrusion bars listed on your compliance tag your car needs them, if there no longer there your car is illegal and defectable. They dont weigh much more then the early LX and LH doors, just a little added safety for the dinosaurs.
So if your car has the intrusion bars listed on your compliance tag your car needs them, if there no longer there your car is illegal and defectable. They dont weigh much more then the early LX and LH doors, just a little added safety for the dinosaurs.
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Posted 09 April 2006 - 08:04 PM
the only doors I've seen withouth the bars are out of '74 models. I sourced a set after alot of looking around. You save about 6kgs per door.
What is light weight about the L34? Whats different apart from the intrusionless doors?
What is light weight about the L34? Whats different apart from the intrusionless doors?
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Posted 10 April 2006 - 07:37 PM
6kg per door...then its more than the intrusion bars. they are only 2 or 3mm pressed tin. not much to them.
i wanted to pull mine out to save a couple of kg, but figured it was just too damn hard for minimal gain.
i wanted to pull mine out to save a couple of kg, but figured it was just too damn hard for minimal gain.
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Posted 10 April 2006 - 09:51 PM
No weigh (pun inteneded) in the world intrusion bars add 6kg, I got a feeling there was 5kg of body filler in those doors Bomber.
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Posted 11 April 2006 - 06:01 PM
ADR 29 for side impact strength. Dunno about the date it came into effect, but late LXs, from around mid 1977 onwards had intrusion bars in the doors. Earlier LXs and LHs didn't.
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Posted 11 April 2006 - 07:06 PM
That's what I would have said.ADR 29 for side impact strength. Dunno about the date it came into effect, but late LXs, from around mid 1977 onwards had intrusion bars in the doors. Earlier LXs and LHs didn't.
Does anyone know about Hatches? Do all hatch doors have anti-intrusion bars?
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Posted 11 April 2006 - 07:58 PM
They go by the date that ADR was applied, it could be a custom made 6 door stretch torana if its made after ADR29 it will need intrusion bars fitted to every door.That's what I would have said.ADR 29 for side impact strength. Dunno about the date it came into effect, but late LXs, from around mid 1977 onwards had intrusion bars in the doors. Earlier LXs and LHs didn't.
Does anyone know about Hatches? Do all hatch doors have anti-intrusion bars?
I cant see what would make a hatch subject to meeting the strict ADR's?
Like said before if your car meets ADR29 and you dont have intrusion bars fitted, your car is defectable and your doors have been replaced at some time, no its not a dealer fitted option, no its not rare if your dont have them.
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Posted 12 April 2006 - 08:50 AM
Well the way I measured it was I had 2 doors, both fully gutted. One intruison, one without. I hopped on the scaled holding them both seperatly and subtracted my weight. The scales weren't accurate as a hell, I tried over and over and got between 4 - 6 with the fronts and did the same for the rears and found them to be a kg or so less obviously.
It's hard to give a 100% accurate number but I'd say there would have to be a minimum of 13kgs difference across all doors.
You can feel the difference, just picking them up to move them to weigh, the intrusonless is like a feather, just grab it and walk it around where as the LX door was a bit of a strain.
It's hard to give a 100% accurate number but I'd say there would have to be a minimum of 13kgs difference across all doors.
You can feel the difference, just picking them up to move them to weigh, the intrusonless is like a feather, just grab it and walk it around where as the LX door was a bit of a strain.
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Posted 12 April 2006 - 10:10 AM
LS1LX - Yes, hatches have them too. You will most probably find that Toranas made just before the deadline would have had anti-intrusion bars as well, as every car made from that date has to have them. GMH wouldn't have wanted to get caught with a few cars on the assembly line without intrusion bars, and would have wanted to have the new production process well sorted out by the deadline.Like said before if your car meets ADR29 and you dont have intrusion bars fitted, your car is defectable and your doors have been replaced at some time, no its not a dealer fitted option, no its not rare if your dont have them.
Just in general terms, ADR 29 is to do with side impact strength, not necessarily anti-intrusion bars. If a manufacturer had made vehicles with strong enough doors and pillars to pass the tests then they wouldn't have necessarily had to fit anti-intrusion bars - it was just the easiest way to do it.
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Posted 12 April 2006 - 09:29 PM
i have a 5/76 LX sedan with NO intrusion bars......so those doors are going on my UC to save a lil weight....and the much better UC doors onto the LX so keep your pants on and the comments about wasting doors on a UC to yourselves
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Posted 13 April 2006 - 07:39 AM
I understand the rules Dangerous, direct that at the guys asking the q?
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Posted 13 April 2006 - 09:31 AM
If people are removing the intrusion bars, or fitting doors without them to LXs and UCs that should have them, that's their business................ if the car is unregistered and never intended to be registered again.
What also concerns me is if and when these cars are sold/moved on is that the alteration probably wouldnt have been rectified and that the safety of whoever takes on the car next is compromised. I doubt whether pulling the door trims and looking for the bars is part of any standard rta inspection, or looking for any other evidence of lightening key structural components of the car.
What also concerns me is if and when these cars are sold/moved on is that the alteration probably wouldnt have been rectified and that the safety of whoever takes on the car next is compromised. I doubt whether pulling the door trims and looking for the bars is part of any standard rta inspection, or looking for any other evidence of lightening key structural components of the car.
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Posted 13 April 2006 - 09:58 AM
you can tell if the door has intrusion bars without taking the door trims off. just have to look for the little spot welds in the jamb. unless someone has neatened that area when respraying the car.I doubt whether pulling the door trims and looking for the bars is part of any standard rta inspection, or looking for any other evidence of lightening key structural components of the car.
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Posted 13 April 2006 - 10:45 AM
Not necessarily the case. Cars have the complianced date on the compliance plate, which is normally different to the build date. They would have just made sure all the non-intrusion bar cars where complianced prior to the cut-off date.GMH wouldn't have wanted to get caught with a few cars on the assembly line without intrusion bars, and would have wanted to have the new production process well sorted out by the deadline.....
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Posted 13 April 2006 - 10:46 AM
Wind your window down, spread the rubber door belts, and you should be able to see them sitting against the outer skin of the door. Not to difficult at all to check if they are there or not.
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Posted 13 April 2006 - 11:25 AM
Hi Guys.
Yella SLuR said
"Cars have the complianced date on the compliance plate, which is normally different to the build date"
This is the case with imported cars, because the build date is put on the plate obviously when they are built, at their factory of origin, but the Compliance Plate (& date) is fitted in Australia at the importers storage yard or bond store. I've seen cars built overseas in 1989 & then Complianced in 1991 when they leave the bond store after sitting in storage for 2 years.
With Australian built cars, which is now only 5 types, Commodore (& others), Camry, Mits 380, Ford Falcon (& others) & the Territory. What I mean by 'others', is all the variations (utes Statesmans, Monaros, LTDs etc), all these cars are usually built & Complianced at the factory, on the same day or sometimes within a few days depending on their production schedule.
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Yella SLuR said
"Cars have the complianced date on the compliance plate, which is normally different to the build date"
This is the case with imported cars, because the build date is put on the plate obviously when they are built, at their factory of origin, but the Compliance Plate (& date) is fitted in Australia at the importers storage yard or bond store. I've seen cars built overseas in 1989 & then Complianced in 1991 when they leave the bond store after sitting in storage for 2 years.
With Australian built cars, which is now only 5 types, Commodore (& others), Camry, Mits 380, Ford Falcon (& others) & the Territory. What I mean by 'others', is all the variations (utes Statesmans, Monaros, LTDs etc), all these cars are usually built & Complianced at the factory, on the same day or sometimes within a few days depending on their production schedule.
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Posted 13 April 2006 - 11:45 AM
RTS and Yella: for folks that visit this forum, checking if the bars are there shouldnt be a problem, as they know they should or shouldnt be there. Its unsuspecting folks(who would have no idea about adr29 intrusion bars etc) buying the cars that Im concerned about, and as I said....how many rta/rwc inspections would pick out that the bars are missing?
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Posted 13 April 2006 - 01:58 PM
Dr Terry, still not unusual to find a difference of 1-2 months between built and compliance plates, even with factory cars. Dunno why, just what I've seen, must have something to do with the process/tracking of the cars through the plant.
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Posted 13 April 2006 - 01:59 PM
Thats exactly the point.how many rta/rwc inspections would pick out that the bars are missing?
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Posted 13 April 2006 - 02:07 PM
probably a lot more now it's been posted on a public forum they regularly look at.....Thats exactly the point.how many rta/rwc inspections would pick out that the bars are missing?
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Posted 13 April 2006 - 04:01 PM
As i said , quickslr the first lh 74 torrys witch the L34s were bassed onWhat is light weight about the L34? Whats different apart from the intrusionless doors?
were lighter then the models that followed it
thay were know as light wait body shells . not just in the doors but in
The boot two, there was less steel bracing
cheers........
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Posted 13 April 2006 - 04:08 PM
Hi Guys.
Yella SLuR said
"Dr Terry, still not unusual to find a difference of 1-2 months between built and compliance plates, even with factory cars. Dunno why, just what I've seen, must have something to do with the process/tracking of the cars through the plant"
What cars or models are we talking about ? Holden didn't use 'Build Dates' until VN & they actually show the day/month/year, thety are that precise.
And what do you mean by factory cars ?
Dr Terry.
Yella SLuR said
"Dr Terry, still not unusual to find a difference of 1-2 months between built and compliance plates, even with factory cars. Dunno why, just what I've seen, must have something to do with the process/tracking of the cars through the plant"
What cars or models are we talking about ? Holden didn't use 'Build Dates' until VN & they actually show the day/month/year, thety are that precise.
And what do you mean by factory cars ?
Dr Terry.
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