Jump to content


Photo

lj door hinges need adjusting


  • Please log in to reply
20 replies to this topic

#1 xu1kid

xu1kid

    Forum Fan

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 364 posts
  • Name:anthony
  • Location:Albury
  • Car:lj gtr xu1
  • Joined: 30-December 08

Posted 05 June 2010 - 07:43 PM

hi all my lj doors need lifting up at the door handle end the car was in accident years ago so im not sure if thats why they have dropped , so whats the best way to adjust the doors ??

#2 rodomo

rodomo

    To advertise here, call 13TORANA

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 18,021 posts
  • Name:R - O - B Dammit!
  • Location:Way out west of Melbourne Awstraylya
  • Joined: 10-December 05

Posted 06 June 2010 - 12:13 AM

Check to see if the hinge pins are worn by opening the door slightly and lifting it up and down.

#3 _Bomber Watson_

_Bomber Watson_
  • Guests

Posted 06 June 2010 - 01:10 PM

Only way to adjust them is brute force.....

A jack is usefull....

Cheers.

#4 _luv the uc_

_luv the uc_
  • Guests

Posted 06 June 2010 - 01:25 PM

Can you clarify, does the door need to be raised to even out the gap at the bottom or does it scrap on the latch mounted to the B pillar when you are closing it? If it is the latter you can adjust these latches to whereever they need to be.

Edited by luv the uc, 06 June 2010 - 01:25 PM.


#5 Bart

Bart

    Shit a brick

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,559 posts
  • Location:Sydney
  • Car:LJ Torana
  • Joined: 20-November 05

Posted 06 June 2010 - 01:35 PM

Could be worn hinges, that�s a real possibility, careful using a jack to lift the door, you don�t want to damage the door skin and inner door, use a piece of wood (maybe the length of the door and 3 inch wide) between the door and jack, take small steps, like put a bit of pressure on the door with the jack then push the car down a bit. You don�t want to go too far the other way.
But first thing first, check the hinges are not worn out.

#6 xu1kid

xu1kid

    Forum Fan

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 364 posts
  • Name:anthony
  • Location:Albury
  • Car:lj gtr xu1
  • Joined: 30-December 08

Posted 06 June 2010 - 03:07 PM

yea the door gap at the bottom of the door is out good gap near the front gaurd but slopes down at the back of the door and its hard to shut, its like i need to lift the door up at one end

#7 S pack

S pack

    Scrivet Counter

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 15,648 posts
  • Name:Dave
  • Location:Luggage Point
  • Car:73 LJ
  • Joined: 25-January 10

Posted 06 June 2010 - 03:45 PM

yea the door gap at the bottom of the door is out good gap near the front gaurd but slopes down at the back of the door and its hard to shut, its like i need to lift the door up at one end


G/day xu1kid

1st check your hinges and pins for wear as already suggested. If they check out OK then put pieces of masking tape around the strikers to mark their position for ease of installation, now remove the strikers and see how the doors line up in the opening.
If they line up better then the strikers are pulling the doors down when you close them. Had a similar ordeal with my brothers LJ 4dr after fixing some rust in the front L.H pillar. A panel beater told me that to adjust the LC/LJ hinges you get a block of hardwood and a Gympie hammer and give the barrel part of the hinge a whack, with door installed of course. Remember that a small amount of movement at the hinge translates into a larger gain over the full length of the door. Anyway after using that method to adjust the top hinge the door gaps lined up beautifully.

Cheers
Dave.

#8 xu1kid

xu1kid

    Forum Fan

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 364 posts
  • Name:anthony
  • Location:Albury
  • Car:lj gtr xu1
  • Joined: 30-December 08

Posted 06 June 2010 - 04:25 PM

thanks fellas il check the door pins and see how they are, and then do as S PACK suggested, have to wait til the weekend to go out to my parents and work on it

#9 _quick6torana_

_quick6torana_
  • Guests

Posted 27 June 2010 - 01:58 AM


yea the door gap at the bottom of the door is out good gap near the front gaurd but slopes down at the back of the door and its hard to shut, its like i need to lift the door up at one end


G/day xu1kid

1st check your hinges and pins for wear as already suggested. If they check out OK then put pieces of masking tape around the strikers to mark their position for ease of installation, now remove the strikers and see how the doors line up in the opening.
If they line up better then the strikers are pulling the doors down when you close them. Had a similar ordeal with my brothers LJ 4dr after fixing some rust in the front L.H pillar. A panel beater told me that to adjust the LC/LJ hinges you get a block of hardwood and a Gympie hammer and give the barrel part of the hinge a whack, with door installed of course. Remember that a small amount of movement at the hinge translates into a larger gain over the full length of the door. Anyway after using that method to adjust the top hinge the door gaps lined up beautifully.

Cheers
Dave.


On mine the drivers door seems to have shifted back (striker rubs a little on the door frame itself and the gap between the guard and door is larger than it should be) Guess I would need to do this to both hinges equally then to shift it forward again. There dosent seem to be any adjustment in them is there?

#10 S pack

S pack

    Scrivet Counter

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 15,648 posts
  • Name:Dave
  • Location:Luggage Point
  • Car:73 LJ
  • Joined: 25-January 10

Posted 27 June 2010 - 03:12 PM



yea the door gap at the bottom of the door is out good gap near the front gaurd but slopes down at the back of the door and its hard to shut, its like i need to lift the door up at one end


G/day xu1kid

1st check your hinges and pins for wear as already suggested. If they check out OK then put pieces of masking tape around the strikers to mark their position for ease of installation, now remove the strikers and see how the doors line up in the opening.
If they line up better then the strikers are pulling the doors down when you close them. Had a similar ordeal with my brothers LJ 4dr after fixing some rust in the front L.H pillar. A panel beater told me that to adjust the LC/LJ hinges you get a block of hardwood and a Gympie hammer and give the barrel part of the hinge a whack, with door installed of course. Remember that a small amount of movement at the hinge translates into a larger gain over the full length of the door. Anyway after using that method to adjust the top hinge the door gaps lined up beautifully.

Cheers
Dave.


On mine the drivers door seems to have shifted back (striker rubs a little on the door frame itself and the gap between the guard and door is larger than it should be) Guess I would need to do this to both hinges equally then to shift it forward again. There dosent seem to be any adjustment in them is there?


No unfortunately GMH didn't give us bolt on adjustable hinges like other holdens of the era. Then again look at the Commodores their hinges aren't adjustable either from what I have seen. Go steady with the adjustment process, get a feel for the amount of force you need to apply with each hit and check the gap after each hit to ensure you don't over do it. In extreme cases it may be necessary to cut the door pin tube from the pillar hinge piece and weld it back on in revised position to achieve a satisfactory alignment. Visually check the front end of your door for signs of stretching around where the hinge pieces are welded to the door frame. It may be that the door is at fault not the pillar hinges. Maybe the drivers side pillar had bad rust issues and when repaired the hinges didn't end up in the correct postion. Check it all out thoroughly first.

Cheers
Dave.

#11 _quick6torana_

_quick6torana_
  • Guests

Posted 28 June 2010 - 09:05 PM

G/day xu1kid

1st check your hinges and pins for wear as already suggested. If they check out OK then put pieces of masking tape around the strikers to mark their position for ease of installation, now remove the strikers and see how the doors line up in the opening.
If they line up better then the strikers are pulling the doors down when you close them. Had a similar ordeal with my brothers LJ 4dr after fixing some rust in the front L.H pillar. A panel beater told me that to adjust the LC/LJ hinges you get a block of hardwood and a Gympie hammer and give the barrel part of the hinge a whack, with door installed of course. Remember that a small amount of movement at the hinge translates into a larger gain over the full length of the door. Anyway after using that method to adjust the top hinge the door gaps lined up beautifully.

Cheers
Dave.
[/quote]

On mine the drivers door seems to have shifted back (striker rubs a little on the door frame itself and the gap between the guard and door is larger than it should be) Guess I would need to do this to both hinges equally then to shift it forward again. There dosent seem to be any adjustment in them is there?
[/quote]

No unfortunately GMH didn't give us bolt on adjustable hinges like other holdens of the era. Then again look at the Commodores their hinges aren't adjustable either from what I have seen. Go steady with the adjustment process, get a feel for the amount of force you need to apply with each hit and check the gap after each hit to ensure you don't over do it. In extreme cases it may be necessary to cut the door pin tube from the pillar hinge piece and weld it back on in revised position to achieve a satisfactory alignment. Visually check the front end of your door for signs of stretching around where the hinge pieces are welded to the door frame. It may be that the door is at fault not the pillar hinges. Maybe the drivers side pillar had bad rust issues and when repaired the hinges didn't end up in the correct postion. Check it all out thoroughly first.

Cheers
Dave.
[/quote]

Thanks for the reply Dave.
I've had the car a long time so in this case I know its not a rust repair related issue. My A pillar dosen't appear to have suffered any damage previously but you raise a good point about the points where the hinge mounts to the door possibly stretching out. I'll have to take a close look there. Have been meaning to take the door off for years but it looked like it could be a real b**** of a job so naturally it keeps getting put off until the next weekend..........You are also correct about the commodore hinges as I have one as well. Is this something that anyone else has had happen.
Cheers

#12 _gtr161s_

_gtr161s_
  • Guests

Posted 01 July 2010 - 10:59 PM

Best advice when moving these hinges is take a measurement before you start.

If your hinges don't have any play up or down but your door is hanging down you can either lift the door up while just open ( this gives a lot of leverage to bend hinges ) or take off stop latch, open door fully, get a brass dolly, lump hammer and hit top hinge forward.

REMEMBER - hit it once then check if no movement hit it twice then check etc etc...don't go to hard as it's awkward to pull them back without removing door

#13 _yldlj_

_yldlj_
  • Guests

Posted 02 July 2010 - 09:06 PM

in most cases if your door has droped it is probably just from you leaning on the door when it's open EVERYONE does it! it should lift straight back up and if it doesn't then use a jack but be carefull not to damage the door skin. if it's your hinges you can easily make up a tool that can move or twist the hinges anywhere with ease and without using a block of wood and sledge hammer. ill try take some pics of the tool i made for my work and post it up as soon as i can

#14 xu1kid

xu1kid

    Forum Fan

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 364 posts
  • Name:anthony
  • Location:Albury
  • Car:lj gtr xu1
  • Joined: 30-December 08

Posted 01 August 2010 - 08:36 PM

i checked my door hinges/pins for wear the driver doors i can lift up and down a little bit, so the pins are worn or do the have a bush in the hinge. the passanger door doesnt have any movement in it, i also removed the door striker lock and see were the doors shut and the gap is still out, also my passanger door is tight to shut i have to push it shut pretty firm nearly slam it, it gets tight when its almost shut its like the door rubber is jamming at the front of the door so i removed the door rubber and it shuts alot easier, my drivers door is hard to shut aswel but not as bad as the passenger door, gotta love the old cars haha

#15 _BATHURST-32D_

_BATHURST-32D_
  • Guests

Posted 02 August 2010 - 06:17 AM

it sounds to me you need to take the dr side door off and bend your bottom hinge towards the back of the car [ever so slightly]i have looked at your pics in mpp but cant find no good side on shots showing your door gaps.
with the other side i would be taking a good look at the pillar [if your gaps are true, that is]as if its had rust or front end damage, it might not have been pre fitted.

cheers gong

Edited by BATHURST-32D, 02 August 2010 - 06:32 AM.


#16 xu1kid

xu1kid

    Forum Fan

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 364 posts
  • Name:anthony
  • Location:Albury
  • Car:lj gtr xu1
  • Joined: 30-December 08

Posted 02 August 2010 - 12:14 PM

The passenger pilar has rust but it's only the outer skin that's rusted iv looked up there and the hinges look okay, but as you say maybe the didn't trial fit the door

#17 grumpy xu1

grumpy xu1

    Lotsa Posts!

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,812 posts
  • Name:Gary
  • Location:Queensland
  • Car:lj xu1
  • Joined: 01-February 10

Posted 02 August 2010 - 06:26 PM

The passenger pilar has rust but it's only the outer skin that's rusted iv looked up there and the hinges look okay, but as you say maybe the didn't trial fit the door


G'day Anthony most of these sugestions are correct but being a t/q panel beater 1 of the best tool's 1 can have in there shed is simply a (blunt) brickies bolster with some masking tape or even a bit of rag arrond it. The ammount of panel shops or backyarders that don't gap things properly is rediculas. Anyway grab a mate to help open door & with a big hammer line bolster straight up & down in corner of hinge tube hit (SOFTLY) ie big hammer soft hit much better, fowards whilst stoping & checking gap periodicly for gaping gmh's we allways used a medium phillips head screwdriver basically the same gap on all hq's lc &j's & lh & x's. Please use cutting any of these hinges a "very" last resort anyone. Im sure once u get a bolster a big hammer phillipshead screwdriver a mate + beer for mate when job is complete things will be so much easier. Good luck & keep us posted, Grumpy xu1

#18 xu1kid

xu1kid

    Forum Fan

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 364 posts
  • Name:anthony
  • Location:Albury
  • Car:lj gtr xu1
  • Joined: 30-December 08

Posted 02 August 2010 - 08:11 PM

yea i wasnt going to cut the hinges it would prob end up worse than it is, i get the old man to help me one weekend and il let yas no how i go

#19 _BATHURST-32D_

_BATHURST-32D_
  • Guests

Posted 03 August 2010 - 06:41 AM

if it comes to the point where you do need to cut the door hinge, take a 2mm cutting blade and only cut half way then you will be abel to fill the cut with weld and it will make it that much easyer to align,,,
grumpy xu1,, i too find the bolster to be a very handy tool, but nothing in my shed is better than the EASYBEAT.

cheers gong

#20 grumpy xu1

grumpy xu1

    Lotsa Posts!

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,812 posts
  • Name:Gary
  • Location:Queensland
  • Car:lj xu1
  • Joined: 01-February 10

Posted 03 August 2010 - 08:31 PM

if it comes to the point where you do need to cut the door hinge, take a 2mm cutting blade and only cut half way then you will be abel to fill the cut with weld and it will make it that much easyer to align,,,
grumpy xu1,, i too find the bolster to be a very handy tool, but nothing in my shed is better than the EASYBEAT.

cheers gong

Ah Gong a easy beat well you are a lucky man, yep all good tools & so worth the money. By the way guy's blackwood's sell 1mm wafer disc's great for "straight" cutting but don't twist & load them & definately wear a clear face as they can disintergrate use shitloads of them at work. hope we've helped mate allways ask if unsure. Grumpy xu1

#21 _72 Torrie_

_72 Torrie_
  • Guests

Posted 05 September 2010 - 07:43 PM

Had a very similar problem with my 2 Door and i found that the outer door skin had come apart at the door hinge end. it require lifting up and brazing/ painting




1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users