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#1 sibhs

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 10:54 PM

I was under the impression that the LJ GTR came out with a dual barrel Stromberg WW.
When I asked for one at a carbie rebuilding place they said the WW was only on the LC GTR.
Can anyone throw some light on the subject because I just brought one that needs rebuilding.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 11:26 PM

I was under the impression that the LJ GTR came out with a dual barrel Stromberg WW.
When I asked for one at a carbie rebuilding place they said the WW was only on the LC GTR.
Can anyone throw some light on the subject because I just brought one that needs rebuilding.
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The carby guy is correct. The WW two barrel strommy was only on the LC GTR in the LC/LJ models.
The LJ GTR 202 used the standard single barrel stromberg carb, same as found on any garden variety 202 of the era.

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 11:56 PM

Faaar out.
I can't imagine that tiny carbie on a 202 pumping enough fuel to push this car along.
I do want my car to look original but I may have to alter this to run the bigger stromberg. More research required.
What did you mean by the LC/LJ GTR?

Edited by sibhs, 24 August 2012 - 11:57 PM.


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Posted 25 August 2012 - 12:14 AM

LC had the GTR as did the LJ

Two different models.

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 01:02 AM

LC had the GTR as did the LJ

Two different models.


^^^ LC GTR 1969, 1970 & 1971. LJ GTR 1972, 1973 and the last 5 made were completed in Adelaide in January 1974.

The stock 202 engine with the single barrel carb also powered the larger model Holdens so in the lighter LJ Torana the 202 was quite capable.

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 09:51 AM

Hi

The LJ GTR achieved pretty much the same performance figures (better in some aspects) as the LC GTR. This was achieved by simply increasing the engine capacity by 25%. It didn't need headers, WW11 carby or anything else. Both cars were tested as having a top speed of around 106 MPH (170 KPH). The 202 at 135bhp had 10 more than the 161s at 125bhp.

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 10:42 AM

How much power did the late 173s LC GTR's have I'm guessing 130hp with a fair bit more torque than the 161s? Did they go any better then the other GTR models? Cheers Aaron.

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 10:53 AM

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Haven't seen a road test, but the 173S gained 3.8kw and 5hp over the 161S

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 01:05 PM

Have you seen the test of the LC gtr with a 186s conversion in it. It went a lot better than the standard 161s powered GTR's. I'm guessing Holden never made them because they would have embarrassed the big brother GTS Monaro's to much even with the 308 fitted, cheers Aaron.

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 02:03 PM

Have you seen the test of the LC gtr with a 186s conversion in it. It went a lot better than the standard 161s powered GTR's. I'm guessing Holden never made them because they would have embarrassed the big brother GTS Monaro's to much even with the 308 fitted, cheers Aaron.


They did make them, they are called GTR XU-1.

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 03:32 PM

Yeh but this one was done by a shop in Melbourne using a standard 186 and swapping over all the S motor bits, head,cam, intake and headers they should have built these aswell as the XU1 to compete for class honors in B class, with the XU1 for C and outright. Cheers Aaron.

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 04:02 PM

Hi

Haven't seen a road test, but the 173S gained 3.8kw and 5hp over the 161S

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I've got a 173 - if anyone is looking - bit off topic

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 08:16 PM

Now I have a single barrel stromberg off the 138 and this dual barrel stromberg just brought.
I'd like to build up a mild 202 for a GTR replicar, which carbie would give me the best performance, reliabilty?

This doesn't make sense - Holden make LC 186 GTR with Dual carb then introduce a 202 LJ with single carb?? WTF

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 09:01 PM

Hi sibhs, sorry for any confusions Holden only made LC GTR's with 161's and 173's as a running update and both engines came standard with the 2 barrel carb. Witch is better I am not that sure, I have a good mate Daniel he is on this fourum that tried both and he got better performance out of the 2 barrel on his 202. But there are plenty of guys with stock cars and HQ that are limited to the single barrel and they say they are making good power but the blokes that have told me that I would not let them near my lawn mower, cheers Aaron.

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 09:09 PM

Bang a set of triple strombergs on your 202 and really wake it up works for me

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 09:11 PM

Martin lc gtr didnt come with 186 engine only gtr xu1 and they had triple 150cd strombergs

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 09:22 PM

G'day Ice,
I have been looking for any sort of triple set-up but have been talked out of it due to reliability and also the dual strombergs status as a great carbie. I have heard the triple strombergs are the best.
How do your triples perform for reliability?

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 09:32 PM

Mine are genuine 73 xu1 carbys on an original manifold and how do they go well how does 7500rpm on the tacho all day long sound
your dual throat carby will do the job on a mild engine but my 202 has quite a bit of work done to it
mate of mine rebuilt my triples so they run real good old school mechanic

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 10:49 AM

Is there any reason you're replicating an LJ GTR, sibhs? They were fairly uninspiring when compared to the LC GTR's, and the LC and LJ XU-1's... Why not go for an XU-1 replica?

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 03:54 PM

I think this is a bigger carbie manifold , off a HX or HZ .
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 08:38 PM

G'day Rim,
I used to own a two door S with a spoiler and the spoiler always looked tacked on, cracked easily and caused the boot to not stay up.
I also think they spoil the look of the back of the car. There is also loads XU-1 copies and maybe less of the GTR's.
Hopefully with a well built 202 and the twin barrel stromberg the car won't be too uninspiring.
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P.S I enjoyed your build up thread, well done.

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 07:20 AM

I much prefer the spoilerless look as well, you can set the boot springs to suit the weight of a spoiler though.

The beauty of a replicar is that you can change things like carbies and 98% of people looking won't know the difference anyway :)

Thanks, one day I'll get around to finishing it, washing it and getting some decent pics up!



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Posted 30 August 2012 - 07:56 AM

Hi sibhs, sorry for any confusions Holden only made LC GTR's with 161's and 173's as a running update and both engines came standard with the 2 barrel carb. Witch is better I am not that sure, I have a good mate Daniel he is on this fourum that tried both and he got better performance out of the 2 barrel on his 202. But there are plenty of guys with stock cars and HQ that are limited to the single barrel and they say they are making good power but the blokes that have told me that I would not let them near my lawn mower, cheers Aaron.

I have run both the single and 2 barrel carbs on the same engine and the WW2 carby really woke the engine up. Much better than the 350 holley that I also played around with.

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 08:16 AM

If you want the std look and a bigger carb, find a international truck carb as they are 1" an 9 where the std 202 is a 1" an 7

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 10:00 AM

I have run both the single and 2 barrel carbs on the same engine and the WW2 carby really woke the engine up. Much better than the 350 holley that I also played around with.

That's what I was hoping to hear, I'm not after a weapon, just a beautiful quick original looking cruiser.
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