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#1 _pinklx_

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 11:00 PM

anyone have any opinians on useing alloy flywheels on holden v8s? pro's con's right and wrong setups to be used with, turbo, supercharged, strokers etc. enlighten me people.



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Posted 22 February 2013 - 11:07 PM

Your Gravity is powerful,

If you can walk miles then You are fine. Dave I

 

p.s. half the weight of normal is good

p.p.s. any material that is light is good


Edited by TORYPOWER, 22 February 2013 - 11:09 PM.


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Posted 22 February 2013 - 11:56 PM

I've run both in my race Dattos

Both come in at the same weight

I prefer the CroMo one and will be using them exclusively in the future

 

For a Chev/Holden I'd go for a CroMO with a small twin or triple plate clutch and rev the tits off it. If its for racing that is

 

For street I'd go a lightened CroMo with a grippy cushioned button clutch and drive accordingly

Still undecided on my sedan as to whether to go auto or manual

But if I do go manual I'll go with my own recommendation above :)



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Posted 23 February 2013 - 12:11 AM

I too would like some feedback on this subject. I am about to go pick up my car on Monday, gearbox is ready, engine is ready and I will have to buy a new clutch and pressure plate probably in the next week or 2. I have got a flywheel which is around 9kg that I have to get machined which I was gonna go with.



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Posted 23 February 2013 - 02:37 AM

mostly asking as ive been building a t5 for my torana, some of u may have been following my thread, but resently a g-force t5 come up too cheap to pass up and it just happened to have the same shifter location and input shaft length as the custom setup ive been building except it has the t56/tko spline on the input.

 

 i bought a clutch a while ago for my t56 in my vl its a 6puck sprung button, centerforce pressure plate and a yella terra steel 10kg flywheel. the engine in the vl is 355, ported heads,2,02valves, 1.7 rollers, 286 cam, walky twin throtts, green top injectors,9,5 comp with a powerdyne side mount 6 to 7lbs no intercooler. 4.11 gears 20's

 

the torana motor however is 355, 9.6 comp, 284cam stock vn heads, stock injection, bluetops. 3.1gears 285/40/15's. 

 

im thinking of pushing the clutch ive bought over to my torana and buying a mccloud rst twin plate for the vl and i saw a fairly cheap alloy flywheel for sale. im just wondering if this is the right way to go? or maybe i need to mix n match the flywheels or even get another steel/crmo one.

 

any ideas guys?

 

 



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Posted 24 February 2013 - 08:02 PM

For street I'd go a lightened CroMo with a grippy cushioned button clutch and drive accordingly  :)

 

I've never heard of a CroMo flywheel before. How long have they been available? I bet they aren't a cheap option.



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Posted 24 February 2013 - 08:26 PM

I would say steel flywheels are ChroMo.



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Posted 24 February 2013 - 08:31 PM

Well the good ones anyway, maybe not the cheap chinese ones...



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Posted 24 February 2013 - 08:45 PM

http://www.xtremeclu...au/en/catalogue



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Posted 25 February 2013 - 05:37 AM

I only know of one person that used an alloy flywheel on a 308.

 

The engine was a healthy mini stroker and due to lack of rotating mass would rev up and return to idle like an F1 car.

 

Unfortunately it was impossible to get off the line, you could rev it to 6K and dump the clutch and it would just get dragged down to idle and move off like a wounded slug.

 

The alloy flywheel was replaced with a lightened steel unit and the car drove as it should.

 

I couldn't recommend the aluminium flywheel.

 

JMHO



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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:20 AM

I only know of one person that used an alloy flywheel on a 308.

 

The engine was a healthy mini stroker and due to lack of rotating mass would rev up and return to idle like an F1 car.

 

Unfortunately it was impossible to get off the line, you could rev it to 6K and dump the clutch and it would just get dragged down to idle and move off like a wounded slug.

 

The alloy flywheel was replaced with a lightened steel unit and the car drove as it should.

 

I couldn't recommend the aluminium flywheel.

 

JMHO

I also agree that lighter isn't necessarily better. The sixes in particular seem to benefit from some flywheel weight, not just to get off the line but to help control the crank vibrations. As well as that super-light rotating assemblies can make a street car obnoxious to live with every day. I think it was Harrop that recommended bolting on the heaviest flywheel you can find. That was for a six, but even with a V8 I think you can take the lightness thing too far.



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Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:15 PM

Hi pinklx,

Looks like a standard 6 cylinder flywheel is 10.8 kilo's and mine is 7 kilo's which was very responsive and had no problems unless doing less then 60 kph in top gear with a 2.78 lsd diff.

( must say that the LC/J cars only weigh 925 kilo's or more )

I machined all the casting marks from the standard flywheel front and back and then milled between the pressure plate bolts to the clutch diametre as that step was 10 millimetres deep with an R3 radius ball nose cutter for the final edge.

( used a rotating turntable on the mill )

It was also said to have a flogging plate made out of hardened steel for the 6 flywheel bolts to clamp the flywheel tighter which I made and used as well ( the flywheel never came loose). Dave I

 

p.s. I see the V8 ones been lightened from 16 kilo's to 10 kilo's



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Posted 25 February 2013 - 08:26 PM

When building Welbys targa hatch we faced the question of what flywheel to use

We went with the middle of the weight range... not too light... not too heavy

I think its still in the car and working well



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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:30 PM

so it seems the general train of thought is a mid weight steel is the go for a street car. 10kg yella terra is what im now thinking.



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Posted 26 February 2013 - 01:26 AM


so it seems the general train of thought is a mid weight steel is the go for a street car. 10kg yella terra is what im now thinking.

So this is what your looking at pinklx,

a Holden V8  YT10.8 Kilo, cause the next one is 7 Kilo. Dave I

 

10.8 Kilo:-

http://www.yellaterr...egoryIdentity=3

996BDE41-B804-2BB0-BBACBFB11ADC4F5A.jpg

 

 

7 Kilo:-

http://www.yellaterr...egoryIdentity=3

996E8F4B-0D62-85AA-DBFD60AC55A66BE1.jpg

 

p.s. my one was reduced by 35% from normal and your 10.8 Kilo one is reduced by 32.5% from normal.

 

Good call  :driving:


Edited by TORYPOWER, 26 February 2013 - 01:40 AM.


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Posted 26 February 2013 - 12:51 PM

On  my six, I changed from stock to a Starfire 4 item, I think I saved about 6lb?? Made a difference too, and the whole engine only cost me a bottle of my home made rum!



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Posted 26 February 2013 - 06:06 PM

There's no universally correct weight. A lot of people like the "feel" of a light wheel. But if you have tall gears and a very good tyre and suspension setup, you'll almost certainly 60' better with a heavy flywheel, possibly even heavier than stock. Of course the reverse is also true - if the car has short gears and doesn't hook up very well a light flywheel will be best.



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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:10 PM

The weight of the flywheel is generally in proportion to the weight of the vehicle. If it's on a staionary engine (generator, compressor etc) they are generally a bit heavier.



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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:21 PM

 

So this is what your looking at pinklx,

a Holden V8  YT10.8 Kilo, cause the next one is 7 Kilo. Dave I

 

10.8 Kilo:-

http://www.yellaterr...egoryIdentity=3


 

 

7 Kilo:-

http://www.yellaterr...egoryIdentity=3


 

p.s. my one was reduced by 35% from normal and your 10.8 Kilo one is reduced by 32.5% from normal.

 

Good call  :driving:

 

i use that 7kg steel lighten flywheel in my 308-355 stroker and find very effective on the dragstrip



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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:52 PM

My compressor doesn't have a flywheel :(



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Posted 27 February 2013 - 12:41 PM

So it can't be very fast then??? :stirpot:



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Posted 27 February 2013 - 06:47 PM

 yep i,ll agree with most here , i,ve tried the ultra light 7kg yella terra , was a pig out of corners on the track , back to the 10kg middle of the road steel flywheel is a good allround drivable 308 flywheel , i even prefer it in the road car over the stock unit .

 

 but i suppose if your drag racing and keeping the rpm up there then the lighter steel and possibly alloy may be ok . 



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Posted 27 February 2013 - 07:21 PM

I have one of the ultralight yella terra ones in the hatch behind a healthy 383 Holden. Drives fine for street duties.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 08:22 PM

My compressor doesn't have a flywheel :(

 

When I was at the SEC they used to have portable generators and compressors powered by diesel engines. Sorry about any confusion.



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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:25 AM

i cant remember where but im sure i read somwhere that light flywheels on supercharged engines had less of an effect on the idle qualitys of an engine.

as in it didnt want to stall or be a pig takeing off etc. any thoughts on that??






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