48 replies to this topic

[Potta]

Yeah and the theory of it being a measurement to the top of the badge has been busted cause that would be 135mm not 145.

[grumpy xu1]

Hi Guys, if you convert that to imperial that would be 4 &1/8" up from lower edge of the boot to the bottom of the badge & 2 & 1/4" in from top drivers side edge (outside dimentions of badge postion) using genuine gtr badge (# 2810503) of lc gtr measurements. 1 & 1/8" in from the outside of the "r" & 7/16" down from the top of "r" to make centre marks for pin hole  &  7/16" up from the bottom of the "g" & 7/8" in from the bottom left hand side of the "g" to make other pin hole, hole size being 5/32" x2 holes obviously, hope this helps, John Gong should definitly be able to confirm any measurements for lc & lj gtr & so might the guy with the 2 boots both lc & lj, Gary.

[Ice]

Who uses imperial anymore thats confusing as

[dpz]

I found a difference of 5mm in height (to TOP of badge) between the LC and LJ with 136mm and 131mm respectively.

This could easily have been caused by the amount of beer consumption the previous night or that lunchtime.

 

What I have found is that the badge holes on both are relatively spot on with respect to easy other.

 

Funnily enough to me the badges all look, and measure, a little askew with the "R" being slightly higher than the "G" on both boot lids, by a few mm.

On purpose? they all look a bit crooked to me...

 

I suspect a square template with 2 x holes was used and lined up to the RH and bottom edge. That way the badge always fit regardless of high high or low or crooked it was with respect to the body / boot. I can't imagine anyone was too careful and close enough was good enough.

 

I took measurements of the actual hole positions rather than the badge. I will post these up if requested but will ask that people cross check before drilling. 

 

I would use mikecatts measurements as they seem to be relatively similar if not same as mine. 

 

Photos are available by PM. Way too many to post. Or I can post important ones ?

 

P.S I did try use the imperial method and with some measurements it seemed to line up a bit better/make more sense? I also suspected GMH would have used this form of measurement back then. In the end the measurements were finer and easier using metric rule. Also for anyone wondering I used the same GTR Badge on both boot lids. I also made measurements and cross checked and referenced my measuring tape/s with 3 x others to confirm my readings. 

Edited by dpz, 19 January 2014 - 03:17 PM.

[N/A-PWR]

I don't think so. The photo of the wrong measurement, the badge looks in the correct position, it's just the measurement is suss.

Thanks Mike, just what I wanted to see. If there are more to confirm without doubt, please come forward.

 

and if you look at the 57mm size in proportion to the 145, the 57 only fits twice in the 145. Dave I

http://www.gmh-toran...ge/#entry803399

[dpz]

This is what I measured for hole position. Note they are both different.

The LC has a dodgy coat of thick enamel over the original colour, so minus -.05mm - you could say the top RH hole has 1mm difference in it.

Its the height that differs but only by 4-5mm. The rest of the measurements appear to be true with respect to each other.

If anyone finds any faults let me know and I'll recheck the pics.

 

 

 

LC GTR  / Right Upper Badge Hole - Overall distance to top of “R” from boot lid edge = 136mm

- distance from boot lip (bottom) to RH Hole - 126mm

- distance from RH Boot edge to RH hole - 84.5

 

LC GTR  / Left Lower Badge Hole 

- distance from boot lip (bottom)to LH Hole - 116mm

- distance from RH Boot edge to LH hole - 165.5mm

 

 

LJ GTR / Right Upper Badge Hole - Overall distance to top of “R” from boot lid edge = 131mm

  - distance from boot lip (bottom) to RH Hole - 121mm

  - distance from RH Boot edge to RH hole - 83mm  

 

LJ GTR  / Left Lower Badge Hole 

  - distance from boot lip (bottom) to RH Hole - 111mm

  - distance from RH Boot edge to LH hole - 164mm

Edited by dpz, 19 January 2014 - 06:01 PM.

[dpz]

This is the LJ Boot lid. Probably closer to 132mm

 

The photos are dodgy as I was trying to balance everything and take the shot... But everything was checked over many times. 

 

[sibhs]

I've seen enough evidence to ask the admin to remove the wrong info pic and replace it with Mikes info pic. Does anyone disagree?  

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[grumpy xu1]

Cool that"s got Marty sorted for a while, but you know that he's going to need the gtr badge postions for the door trims so while you have the tapes out metric or imperial you may aswell put them up here in the same spot to taked away any confusion. & Gene mate buy yourself a digital set of verniers in metric/ imperial & everything can make sense I have a machinist for a brother & have to work with both measurements 2 work hence why i can get it or even google does formulars now mate cheers, Gary.

[sibhs]

Thanks for your info Gary, I'm right for door trim positions. Well, I don't want to know because my new trims have them already attached.

Others may benefit from the details though.

 

Cheers all.

 

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[dpz]

The original info was posted by a respected forum member with an original LC GTR.

It may very well be the case there were a whole heap of cars with the same measurement/position?

[sibhs]

Hi Adam,

It seems a respected member has put up a picture with measurements indicating the badge position. (Blue GTR LC). The picture has been used in quite a few threads helping other members to position their Badges. I think the original pic has been on here since 2007 without being questioned for it's accuracy.

What makes this forum so great is the very helpful knowledgeable, friendly members. What we must also ensure is accurate information otherwise this just becomes second rate.

The term 'busted' is used to confirm that those original measurements are infact wrong and we should get them off the forum to prevent others from being mislead.

I have my suspicions on who may have made the original error but who cares, lets just fix it.

 

Marty

The original info was posted by a respected forum member with an original LC GTR.

It may very well be the case there were a whole heap of cars with the same measurement/position?

Hi dpz, from the looks of the pic the badge is in correct position, it's only a measurement or typing error.

Marty

[RallyRed]

with regard to this thread......forget all the ifs and buts.....Im more impressed that you noticed the slight error just by your eye!

Very good.

[Potta]

Yeah he is an observant bugger, but that's why his car is and will be a standout.

 

In 5 minutes he noticed things on my 4 door that I hadn't noticed in 12 months of owning it.

 

Good on ya for getting this sorted out Marty.

[WhaleOilBeefHooked]

Well done John, Personally I would hazard a guess with the stencil, after boot lid fitted and differences were due to not being lined up correctly with the boot edges......

[S pack]

Just to add to the confusion, new spare part boot lids had no badge holes so it was up to the repairer to measure, mark & drill the holes.

[RallyRed]

hmm...guess it makes sense....

 

I would imagine that a generic "boot lid" went on the car on the line.

From there the Torana,... GTR,... or whatever badge went on later down the line.....i.e. they wouldn't have a pile of "GTR lids", and a pile of "S/SL lids" ...and try and put them on the right cars.?

However...would a punch actually be able to fit in there?.. assuming it has to clamp both sides of the panel?

 

Also, how would they deal with the bare metal left by the punch or the drill?

 

excuse my ing-or-ance if these are dumb questions.

 

You can understand why they just stick them on these days.

[S pack]

TMK all holes in panels used on the assembly line were pre punched not drilled. So yes, there would have been different boot lids to suit the different models being produced.

[RallyRed]

thanks Gong

[ljv8]

Hey Marty just to add another variable while not an LJ mine is an Adelaide built 02/71 LC GTR.

My measurements are:
57mm from drivers side boot edge to top of R
134mm from bottom of boot lip to top of R

I can only assume my boot lid is original, and not replaced and the holes re drilled. Either way it's close enough to the rest posted above for me.

Cheers Steve.