Jump to content


Photo

Understanding GTR brake booster to master cylinder


  • Please log in to reply
13 replies to this topic

#1 sibhs

sibhs

    Lotsa Posts!

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,707 posts
  • Name:Martin
  • Location:Perth
  • Car:LJ Coupe S
  • Joined: 27-July 12

Posted 30 September 2014 - 10:24 PM

Hi guys, I don't understand how this will work.
Booster to tip of pushrod is set to 8.280mm as mentioned in manual.
Piston hole depth in master is approx 40mm. This section sits in booster by about 20mm. Therefore there is a gap of about 20mm from rod tip to piston. This doesn't make sense? So when pedal is pushed nothing happens for 20mm?
I think it's done as the manual but it doesn't seem logical.
Am I missing something?
Cheers
Marty
3u6y2yhe.jpg

#2 dattoman

dattoman

    Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?

  • Administrators
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 16,485 posts
  • Name:Neil
  • Location:Perth Western Australia
  • Car:LX SS , 76 Cadillac , 3 x dattos
  • Joined: 04-February 07

Posted 30 September 2014 - 10:38 PM

Your looking at the LC piston depth

The LJ is different piston depth

 

And as per your text message

Yes you have the seals around the right way... sorry no phone credit



#3 Bazza

Bazza

    ǝɹnʇxıɟ ɯnɹoɟ

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,294 posts
  • Location:Outer Melb West Vic
  • Car:ɐuɐɹoʇ
  • Joined: 11-November 05

Posted 30 September 2014 - 10:41 PM

Hi

 

As far as I know there are 2 different length pushrod/primary piston combos ie LC and LJ. I fixed mine by changing the primary piston for a longer reach. It now works fine, but I still don't know whether I have an LC or an LJ combo.

 

Cheers

 

Bazza



#4 sibhs

sibhs

    Lotsa Posts!

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,707 posts
  • Name:Martin
  • Location:Perth
  • Car:LJ Coupe S
  • Joined: 27-July 12

Posted 30 September 2014 - 10:42 PM

Hi Neil,

Do you mean I have the LC rod length measurement?  Or my piston hole is too deep. (which would shit me)

I can wind the rod out a fair bit, just need the measurement.

Cheers

Marty



#5 dattoman

dattoman

    Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?

  • Administrators
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 16,485 posts
  • Name:Neil
  • Location:Perth Western Australia
  • Car:LX SS , 76 Cadillac , 3 x dattos
  • Joined: 04-February 07

Posted 30 September 2014 - 10:52 PM

The LC is about 8mm and the LJ is about 25mm

So the booster/pushrod must be LC and the master cylinder kit you bought with pistons is LJ



#6 Potta

Potta

    Oh My, Don't you post alot

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,026 posts
  • Name:Craig
  • Location:Gozzy, WA
  • Car:LC GTR, LC 4 door
  • Joined: 01-May 09

Posted 30 September 2014 - 11:02 PM

So you're saying his rod is too short?

Poor bugger ;-)

#7 sibhs

sibhs

    Lotsa Posts!

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,707 posts
  • Name:Martin
  • Location:Perth
  • Car:LJ Coupe S
  • Joined: 27-July 12

Posted 30 September 2014 - 11:11 PM

You sold me a short rod Potta. :-(

#8 sibhs

sibhs

    Lotsa Posts!

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,707 posts
  • Name:Martin
  • Location:Perth
  • Car:LJ Coupe S
  • Joined: 27-July 12

Posted 30 September 2014 - 11:15 PM

Anyone have the exact length the pushrod should protrude?
I reckon it was close to 25mm before I wound it down to 8.280mm. I blame the friggin LJ workshop manual.

#9 N/A-PWR

N/A-PWR

    CABIN ENGINE CONTROLS GALORE

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 9,629 posts
  • Name:Dave I
  • Location:Wooroloo, 65km's East of Perth
  • Car:'1969' LC RAT TORANA
  • Joined: 08-December 12

Posted 30 September 2014 - 11:20 PM

The same thing happens with the XU1 booster Marty,

 

Lc to LJ is 17mm difference ( 25 - 8mm ) too.



#10 Potta

Potta

    Oh My, Don't you post alot

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,026 posts
  • Name:Craig
  • Location:Gozzy, WA
  • Car:LC GTR, LC 4 door
  • Joined: 01-May 09

Posted 30 September 2014 - 11:22 PM

Oh sh1t, forgot about that, sorry mate.

If that was off the black car it is LC.

#11 dattoman

dattoman

    Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?

  • Administrators
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 16,485 posts
  • Name:Neil
  • Location:Perth Western Australia
  • Car:LX SS , 76 Cadillac , 3 x dattos
  • Joined: 04-February 07

Posted 30 September 2014 - 11:50 PM

http://www.gmh-toran...ush-rod-length/



#12 sibhs

sibhs

    Lotsa Posts!

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,707 posts
  • Name:Martin
  • Location:Perth
  • Car:LJ Coupe S
  • Joined: 27-July 12

Posted 02 October 2014 - 10:43 PM

Tried winding my pushrod out to 25mm but only got to 20mm, so I have an LC push rod.

 

Questions:  

Is the Threaded section longer on the LJ or is it the back part of rod thats longer.

 

Can I pull out the rod from booster and swap it, or does the booster need to be disassembled?

 

Cheers

 

Marty



#13 N/A-PWR

N/A-PWR

    CABIN ENGINE CONTROLS GALORE

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 9,629 posts
  • Name:Dave I
  • Location:Wooroloo, 65km's East of Perth
  • Car:'1969' LC RAT TORANA
  • Joined: 08-December 12

Posted 02 October 2014 - 10:47 PM

You just swap the compatible Rod Marty 



Just take your one for reference  



#14 dattoman

dattoman

    Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?

  • Administrators
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 16,485 posts
  • Name:Neil
  • Location:Perth Western Australia
  • Car:LX SS , 76 Cadillac , 3 x dattos
  • Joined: 04-February 07

Posted 03 October 2014 - 12:32 AM

You can pull the rod out without pulling the booster apart

 

And the rod length is different not just the threaded acorn nut

You could always get someone to make up a new longer acorn

Make it strong though so it doesn't bend under hard braking






1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users