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Posted 27 December 2005 - 10:52 PM

I always thought the a9x would be more powerful.... but it seems the ss is??

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Posted 28 December 2005 - 08:34 AM

Factory standard I think the early LX 5000's with 186kw (250hp). Anything after July 1976 (=A9X) got hit with ADR27A with egr as well as other assorted emission horrors.

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Posted 28 December 2005 - 04:03 PM

Does the L34 HO count as standard other wise the standard L34 would have more power than a standard SL/R 5000 despite what the factory said.

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Posted 29 December 2005 - 02:38 PM

The standard L34 was slower than standard LH SLR 5000. Road test from the time quotes 0-100kph 8.0 (LH 5000), 8.7 (L34), 0-160kph 24.1 (LH 5000), 25.2 (L34). Quarter miles time marginally favoured the LH 5000 too. Until you added on the go-fast bits you got no real advantage of big valve heads, exhaust etc.

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Posted 29 December 2005 - 03:01 PM

so LH SL/R 5000s are the fastest Toranas... at least in the strait line?

I always had the impression the L34 Heads gave it a decent advantage over all the other 308s even in stock form, I was obviously wrong.

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Posted 29 December 2005 - 07:04 PM

Does the L34 HO count as standard other wise the standard L34 would have more power than a standard SL/R 5000 despite what the factory said.

If you are talking HORSEPOWER, then the L34 weighed in with 340 (ish) where the SLR 5000 had 240.

Litre8's figures are interesting and it makes you wonder why the L34 figures were "understated".
My guess would be because of the SuperCar scare and GMH's intention to "tip toe" the L34 into the 1974 ManChamp series.

Any other theories?

Edited by Dirty Deeds, 29 December 2005 - 07:06 PM.


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Posted 29 December 2005 - 08:50 PM

Just going off memory here as I don't have figures in front of me, but stock L34 wasn't much better than SLR5000, and the early LX was slightly better than the later LX due to pollution. However if you are talking a post pollution SS against an A9X, the A9X would be slightly better off with the same gearing.

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Posted 29 December 2005 - 09:38 PM

I have a list of all power outputs of the top toranas. Ill post it up when i get a chance to put the pic on the web. I think LC69GTR has it....

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Posted 29 December 2005 - 09:59 PM

The L34's "340" horsepower was after the addition of all the dealer fitted parts (cam, carb , valve gear). Factory rating of 240hp (as per the std 5000) was probably correct. Big valve heads, without the matching components (cam, carb), would probably have hurt street performance.

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Posted 30 December 2005 - 06:58 PM

Street performance, back in the �70�s���when standard my LH SL/R 5000 could out accelerate my brothers standard L34 around town any day, and it did, he gave up trying. Highway���different matter.

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Posted 30 December 2005 - 09:34 PM

I uploaded the pic. (sorry to who i ripped this off)
Seems the LJ XU1 has the most HP... 190hp... but low torque.
Its hard to say which goes the best, maybe by 400m times?

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Posted 30 December 2005 - 10:17 PM

LH SL/R5000, LX SS & A9X are measured in k/w instead of h/p on the chart. So LX SS 5litre is the most powerful. Thanks for posting that up mike_nofx.

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Posted 30 December 2005 - 10:27 PM

hey your right.
I just looked at the numbers (stupid me).
Dont give me credit for the pic. I believe the pic came from LC69GTR...

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Posted 30 December 2005 - 10:28 PM

Minor glitch - I make them all the time too!

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Posted 31 December 2005 - 10:44 AM

LH SL/R5000, LX SS & A9X are measured in k/w instead of h/p on the chart. So LX SS 5litre is the most powerful. Thanks for posting that up mike_nofx.

Look again, the SS is a 76 verion, ie pre pollution, there is no comparison. As I said before, if you got a stock 77 (pollution) SS and an A9X and tested them, you would find the A9X would be ever so slightly better off.

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Posted 31 December 2005 - 10:49 AM

Saw that, Even though were going off factory models it does seem a bit strange they used a 76 model SS when comparing it to the A9X. I didn't know exactly the power difference between 76 & 77 SS's though - I think I've seen different quarter mile times in other magazines for all those models too.

Edited by Flamenco, 31 December 2005 - 11:02 AM.


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Posted 31 December 2005 - 01:24 PM

when you say that the L34 was slower than a standard 5000, could this be because of the taller (14 inch) wheels and being a heavier car?
and did the A9X gain its extra performance from its lack of engine driven fan? what else?

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Posted 02 January 2006 - 12:39 AM

I wouldn't have thought the L34 was slower than a stock 5000, but I didn't think there would be much in it. I'll have a look. L34 did come with different diff and gearbox ratios too. I don't think it's heavier than a 5000. A9X have a different cam and lack of engine fan to a stock 5000 or SS.

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Posted 02 January 2006 - 09:01 PM

L34 had a different cam as well didn't it? I was under the impression it was a bit of a dog, simply created to homologate as many parts as possible...

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Posted 02 January 2006 - 09:23 PM

Although the SS has more power (going by the chart) the A9X does go a bit faster 206km to 186km.... so maybe with the same diff, tyres and gearbox the hp might be a bit closer??

Which has the better carb, i dont know much about these carbs
4BBL Strom or Holley?

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Posted 02 January 2006 - 09:49 PM

That chart is full of it anyway, I wouldn't take much from what I read there. Going on the difference in speed, it could have even had figures taken from an auto SS they tested at some stage. The A9X didn't have a holley, the L34 had an option of a 780 holley. The A9X had a Rochester, same as the SS.

AS I have said, yes the SS on the chart makes more power, but it's a 76 model, stricker ADR rules came into play after that, choking the later models including the SS. To compare a 5l SS against an A9X, you need to have a late 77 build (around August as after that they were all A9X) SS.

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Posted 06 January 2006 - 09:29 PM

The most powerful Torana of all time is the L34. It was QUOTED BY HOLDEN as having 250hp. It actually has a much higher figure but it was never published. That's according to Terry Bebbington's book.

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Posted 07 January 2006 - 02:39 PM

No prizes for guessing the L34 was the most powerful factory Torana, but the fact is, it wasn't any quicker than an SLR5000, but the potential was there with a few little mods or fittment of the $1500 HO pack, which was a dealer fitted item.

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Posted 10 January 2006 - 05:55 PM

Any documetation u read is bullshit because of the supercar scare.
the l34 had 340HP standard and with the HO pack it produced 370HP, and 0-100km and 1/4 mile times are bullshit too.
if you put heads with l34 sized valves on a 308 its gonna make a bit more than 240HP, rochester quadrajets flow 750cfm and the l34 had headers, combination for over 300HP.
sucks that they couldnt use that engine in the a9x's so they were stuck with 240HP, so the L34 was the last true supercar.

just my two cents. :clap:

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Posted 10 January 2006 - 06:00 PM

Oh and they upped the compression to 10:1 in the a9x's to compensate for the adr rules.

If the L34 had 100 more HP than the SLR 5000, then it would be impossible for the 5000 to beat it in 0-100km + 1/4 mile times. :tease:




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