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#126 Bazza

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Posted 16 June 2007 - 02:30 PM

can any-one tell me who was dealer 895 ?

thank's

Ian

Hi Ian

Zupps of Mt Gravatt Qld is currently code 895. I note from their web-site that they have been around since the 1950's and 895 may well have been their code in another locality during the 1970s.

It may be worth your while to email them to establish if 895 was always their code or whether they took it over when they perhaps bought out another dealer (as often happened).

Let us know how you get on.

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Posted 16 June 2007 - 04:34 PM

Hi

Further to the above - I notice that Dick Johnson's XU-1 of the period had "Zupps of Mt Gravatt" signage on the rear quarter of the car. It seems likely that Zupps of Mt Gravatt had 895 as their code in the '70s.

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Posted 18 June 2007 - 08:35 PM

Do we Have a updated list on this

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Posted 19 June 2007 - 04:45 PM

Hi

gtrtorana was keeping the list up to date. He seems to be MIA for about a month.

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#130 _SableMet7/73_

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Posted 19 June 2007 - 11:49 PM

Hi, got another # in need of a dealer name.
Mines 812, told by a good source its a
WA/Perth number but thats all.
Any ideas??
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#131 _gtrtorana_

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Posted 22 June 2007 - 07:50 AM

gtrtorana was keeping the list up to date. He seems to be MIA for about a month.

I have been flat out working on my new engine for the LJ lately so I have not had time to get an up to date list. I will update list ASAP. Thanks for all the new dealer numbers. :spoton:

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#132 _oz772_

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Posted 22 June 2007 - 04:29 PM

My LC XU1 was one of the last to come out of the Brisbane factory in April 1971. It is dealer code 899. Can anyone help with that? Thanks.

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#133 _gtrtorana_

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Posted 22 June 2007 - 11:02 PM

000 Internal Holden code (race cars, exported cars, internal vehicles etc)
029 John.A.Gilbert, Camperdown NSW
030 Dwyers City Holden. 31-33 Crown St, Wollongong, NSW
048 NSW Government. Police etc
077 Greg Ball Holden (NSW)
078 Southern Motors. 19 Flemington Rd, North Melbourne VIC
080 Noel Dight Holden Lilydale (VIC)
105 Stuart and Harrison, Mildura, VIC
129 Motors LTD, Hobart, Tasmania.
134 Motors LTD, Burnie, Tas
140 Freeman Motors, Grenfell St, Adelaide
146 Citystate Motors, Sturt St, Adelaide
161 Shack Motors, Cockburn, WA
166 City Motors, Perth
214 Internal Holden Code for Promotional cars
247 GMH Perth
263 Brisbane Internal GM-H public relations
264 Sydney Internal GM-H public relations
265 Melbourne Internal GM-H public relations
266 Adelaide Internal GM-H public relations
269 GMH internal engineering
306 P S Carey Motors - Bacchus Marsh Vic
323 Parker Bros Pty Ltd (Colac) VIC
331 Burchfield Bros, Deneliquin, N.S.W.
343 Patterson Cheney in Ringwood, VIC
364 Mollison Motors, Kyneton VIC
366 John Ryan Holden, Leeton, NSW
368 Booran Holden, Dandenong, VIC
411 B. G. Hartwig & Co. Wagga Wagga
414 D E Lieschke + Son,Walla Walla NSW
416 Alan Capp Wangaratta VIC
420 Parker Bros Pty Ltd (Warrnambool) VIC
421 Callaghan Motors - (Warrnambool) VIC
428 Des Murphy Holden Narrandera (NSW)
431 Kevin Dennis Motors PTY LTD. 309-313 Bridge Rd, Richmond VIC
433 Dustings Holden at Burwood Victoria
436 Swan Hill Holden 94-102 cambell street Swan Hill
437 Reg Hunt Rhodes
440 Roger Manson Holden Drouin (VIC)
441 Bayside Motors, 54 Playne St, Frankston, VIC
445 Preston Motors ( Malvern ) 1175 High St, Armadale Vic.
452 Patterson Motors VIC
457 Preston Motors, Footscray, VIC
501 Gilbert and Roach Holden, Hexam
505 Urquhart & Nicholson (NSW)
511 Paul Wakeling Holden, Camden
549 Jack Dodds Motors PTY LTD, Kempsey NSW
553 Todd Holden, Port Macquarie NSW
560 Wal McGarity, 229 Anson St, Orange NSW
561 Muirs Holden, Parramatta Rd, Ashfield
562 Suttons Chullora (NSW)
568 Alan Cooper Motors Narrabri (NSW)
588 Geissler Motors Goulburn (NSW)
600 Kerrys Motors, Springwood, Blue Mountains, NSW
607 Inder Motors, Balgowlah (near Manly)
615 Hunt's Holden Lakemba, Sydney
616 A.C. Mc grath Holden. Liverpool NSW
618 les vagg Holden, Pennant hills(now barry smith holden 300)
621 Hillsdon's, Church st, Parramatta, NSW
624 Boyded Holden Rockdale (NSW)
630 Suttons, Arncliffe N.S.W
647 Peter Page Elizabeth SA
649 Lecorneus Service Garage, Kingston SA
651 Flight Motors, Loxton, SA
652 Mitchell Holden in Whyalla
658 Gilbert Motors, Mt Barker, SA
685 Cameron Motors, Woomera, SA
668 John H Ellers Brighton SA
691 Smith Motors Port Adelaide, SA
738 Bill Chadwick Holden. Coolangatta QLD
762 Beauchamp Holden, Cabooltule, QLD
815 Melville motors (WA)
871 Williams Bros PTY LTD, Ballina NSW
884 Border garage Texas
865 Metro Motors, Morley WA
888 Eagers Holden, Breakfast creek Rd Newstead Qld
901 Nanango Motors. 102 Drayton St Nanango, QLD

Thanks to everyone who has helped with putting this list together. Sorry for the long wait for this updated list but I have been flat out working on the new engine for my LJ. If the dealer you are after is not on the list, all I can say is sorry but keep looking. I had a very long and frustrating search for the dealer number for my car (649) but eventually found what I was looking for.

Edited by gtrtorana, 22 June 2007 - 11:06 PM.

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#134 _gtrtorana_

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Posted 28 June 2007 - 07:53 AM

000 Internal Holden code (race cars, exported cars, internal vehicles etc)
029 John.A.Gilbert, Camperdown NSW
030 Dwyers City Holden. 31-33 Crown St, Wollongong, NSW
048 NSW Government. Police etc
077 Greg Ball Holden, Sutherland (NSW)
078 Southern Motors. 19 Flemington Rd, North Melbourne VIC
080 Peter Robinson Motors, Lilydale Vic (until 1976)
080 Noel Dight Holden Lilydale (VIC) (From 1977)
105 Stuart and Harrison, Mildura, VIC
129 Motors LTD, HOBART, Tasmania.
134 Motors LTD, Burnie, Tas (from 1971)
134 State Motors Adelaide SA (up to 1971)
140 Freeman Motors, Grenfell St, Adelaide SA
146 Citystate Motors, Sturt St, Adelaide
161 Shack Motors, Cockburn, WA
166 City Motors, Perth
179 Donlee Motors, Brocken Hill NSW
214 Internal Holden Code for Promotional cars
236 GMH internal
247 GMH Perth
263 Brisbane Internal GM-H public relations
264 Sydney Internal GM-H public relations
265 Melbourne Internal GM-H public relations
266 Adelaide Internal GM-H public relations
269 GMH internal engineering
301 Preston Motors Footscray
303 Cavanagh Motors, Ararat VIC
304 P S Carey Motors - Bacchus Marsh Vic
306 Wyres Bros, Ballarat Vic
323 Parker Bros Pty Ltd (Colac) VIC
331 Burchfield Bros, Deneliquin, N.S.W.
343 Patterson Cheney in Ringwood, VIC
364 Mollison Motors, Kyneton VIC
366 John Ryan Holden, Leeton, NSW
368 Booran Holden, Dandenong, VIC
411 B. G. Hartwig & Co. Wagga Wagga
414 D E Lieschke + Son,Walla Walla NSW
416 Alan Capp Wangaratta VIC
420 Parker Bros Pty Ltd (Warrnambool) VIC
421 Callaghan Motors - (Warrnambool) VIC
428 Des Murphy Holden Narrandera (NSW)
431 Kevin Dennis Motors PTY LTD. 309-313 Bridge Rd, Richmond VIC
433 Dustings Holden at Burwood Victoria
436 Swan Hill Holden 94-102 cambell street Swan Hill
437 Reg Hunt Rhodes
440 Roger Manson Holden Drouin (VIC)
441 Bayside Motors, 54 Playne St, Frankston, VIC
445 Preston Motors ( Malvern ) 1175 High St, Armadale Vic.
452 Patterson Motors VIC Ringwood (from 1972
452 Cheneys Northern Motors Sydney Rd Fawkner Vic (Prior to 1972)
457 Preston Motors Footscray
457 Masseys of Yarraville VIC
495 Commonwealth Motors - Phillip ACT
501 Gilbert and Roach Holden, Hexam
505 Urquhart & Nicholson (NSW)
511 Paul Wakeling Holden, Camden
549 Jack Dodds Motors PTY LTD, Kempsey NSW
553 Todd Holden, Port Macquarie NSW
560 Wal McGarity, 229 Anson St, Orange NSW
561 Muirs Holden, Parramatta Rd, Ashfield
562 Suttons Chullora (NSW)
568 Alan Cooper Motors Narrabri (NSW)
588 Geissler Motors Goulburn (NSW)
600 Kerrys Motors, Springwood, Blue Mountains, NSW
607 Inder Motors, Balgowlah (near Manly)
615 Hunt's Holden Lakemba, Sydney
616 A.C. Mc grath Holden. Liverpool NSW
618 Les Vagg Holden, Pennant hills(now barry smith holden 300)
621 Hillsdon's, Church st, Parramatta, NSW
624 C V Holland Rockdale (NSW)
624 Boyded Holden Rockdale (NSW)
630 Suttons, Arncliffe N.S.W
635 Hawkesbury Valley Holden Windsor NSW
647 Peter Page Elizabeth SA
649 Lecorneus Service Garage, Kingston SA
651 Flight Motors, Loxton, SA
652 Mitchell Holden in Whyalla
658 Gilbert Motors, Mt Barker, SA
685 Cameron Motors, Woomera, SA
668 John H Ellers Brighton SA
691 Smith Motors Port Adelaide, SA
738 Lawsons Holden Beaudesert QLD
738 Bill Chadwick Holden Coolangatta QLD
751 Madills Holden - Gympie QLD
762 Beauchamp Holden, Cabooltule, QLD
815 Melville motors (WA)
871 Ross Llewellyn - Booval NSW
871 Williams Bros PTY LTD, Ballina NSW
884 Border garage Texas
865 Metro Motors, Morley WA
888 Eagers Holden, Breakfast creek Rd Newstead Qld
901 Nanango Motors. 102 Drayton St Nanango, QLD

92 dealers, thanks very much for the info on these new numbers Bazza. There are a few different dealers with the same numbers so we now also have to find out from what dates the dealers actually traded.

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#135 _gtrtorana_

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Posted 29 June 2007 - 07:51 AM

Here's another 162 Attwood Motors, Perth WA. Thanks mikek73xu1.

000 Internal Holden code (race cars, exported cars, internal vehicles etc)
029 John.A.Gilbert, Camperdown NSW
030 Dwyers City Holden. 31-33 Crown St, Wollongong, NSW
048 NSW Government. Police etc
077 Greg Ball Holden, Sutherland (NSW)
078 Southern Motors. 19 Flemington Rd, North Melbourne VIC
080 Peter Robinson Motors, Lilydale Vic (until 1976)
080 Noel Dight Holden Lilydale (VIC) (From 1977)
105 Stuart and Harrison, Mildura, VIC
129 Motors LTD, HOBART, Tasmania.
134 Motors LTD, Burnie, Tas (from 1971)
134 State Motors Adelaide SA (up to 1971)
140 Freeman Motors, Grenfell St, Adelaide SA
146 Citystate Motors, Sturt St, Adelaide
161 Shack Motors, Cockburn, WA
162 Attwood Motors, Perth WA
166 City Motors, Perth
179 Donlee Motors, Brocken Hill NSW
214 Internal Holden Code for Promotional cars
236 GMH internal
247 GMH Perth
263 Brisbane Internal GM-H public relations
264 Sydney Internal GM-H public relations
265 Melbourne Internal GM-H public relations
266 Adelaide Internal GM-H public relations
269 GMH internal engineering
301 Preston Motors Footscray
303 Cavanagh Motors, Ararat VIC
304 P S Carey Motors - Bacchus Marsh Vic
306 Wyres Bros, Ballarat Vic
323 Parker Bros Pty Ltd (Colac) VIC
331 Burchfield Bros, Deneliquin, N.S.W.
343 Patterson Cheney in Ringwood, VIC
364 Mollison Motors, Kyneton VIC
366 John Ryan Holden, Leeton, NSW
368 Booran Holden, Dandenong, VIC
411 B. G. Hartwig & Co. Wagga Wagga
414 D E Lieschke + Son,Walla Walla NSW
416 Alan Capp Wangaratta VIC
420 Parker Bros Pty Ltd (Warrnambool) VIC
421 Callaghan Motors - (Warrnambool) VIC
428 Des Murphy Holden Narrandera (NSW)
431 Kevin Dennis Motors PTY LTD. 309-313 Bridge Rd, Richmond VIC
433 Dustings Holden at Burwood Victoria
436 Swan Hill Holden 94-102 cambell street Swan Hill
437 Reg Hunt Rhodes
440 Roger Manson Holden Drouin (VIC)
441 Bayside Motors, 54 Playne St, Frankston, VIC
445 Preston Motors ( Malvern ) 1175 High St, Armadale Vic.
452 Patterson Motors VIC Ringwood (from 1972
452 Cheneys Northern Motors Sydney Rd Fawkner Vic (Prior to 1972)
457 Preston Motors Footscray
457 Masseys of Yarraville VIC
495 Commonwealth Motors - Phillip ACT
501 Gilbert and Roach Holden, Hexam
505 Urquhart & Nicholson (NSW)
511 Paul Wakeling Holden, Camden
549 Jack Dodds Motors PTY LTD, Kempsey NSW
553 Todd Holden, Port Macquarie NSW
560 Wal McGarity, 229 Anson St, Orange NSW
561 Muirs Holden, Parramatta Rd, Ashfield
562 Suttons Chullora (NSW)
568 Alan Cooper Motors Narrabri (NSW)
588 Geissler Motors Goulburn (NSW)
600 Kerrys Motors, Springwood, Blue Mountains, NSW
607 Inder Motors, Balgowlah (near Manly)
615 Hunt's Holden Lakemba, Sydney
616 A.C. Mc grath Holden. Liverpool NSW
618 Les Vagg Holden, Pennant hills(now barry smith holden 300)
621 Hillsdon's, Church st, Parramatta, NSW
624 C V Holland Rockdale (NSW)
624 Boyded Holden Rockdale (NSW)
630 Suttons, Arncliffe N.S.W
635 Hawkesbury Valley Holden Windsor NSW
647 Peter Page Elizabeth SA
649 Lecorneus Service Garage, Kingston SA
651 Flight Motors, Loxton, SA
652 Mitchell Holden in Whyalla
658 Gilbert Motors, Mt Barker, SA
685 Cameron Motors, Woomera, SA
668 John H Ellers Brighton SA
691 Smith Motors Port Adelaide, SA
738 Lawsons Holden Beaudesert QLD
738 Bill Chadwick Holden Coolangatta QLD
751 Madills Holden - Gympie QLD
762 Beauchamp Holden, Cabooltule, QLD
815 Melville motors (WA)
871 Ross Llewellyn - Booval NSW
871 Williams Bros PTY LTD, Ballina NSW
884 Border garage Texas
865 Metro Motors, Morley WA
888 Eagers Holden, Breakfast creek Rd Newstead Qld
901 Nanango Motors. 102 Drayton St Nanango, QLD

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#136 Bazza

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Posted 30 June 2007 - 10:12 PM

Hi

As a matter of interest (according to my LJ Owner Manual)

In Jan 1972 there were 521 GMH dealers in Aust.

172 NSW
121 Vic
89 Qld
62 SA
61 WA
12 Tas
3 NT
1 ACT

As at Dec 2005 - there were only 288

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#137 _torry72_

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Posted 01 July 2007 - 12:40 PM

Anyone know the dealer code for Mentone Motors Pty Ltd.1212 Nepean Highway,Cheltenham,VIC.3192.This is wher my Mustard '73 2 door was sold new but no dealer code in service book.

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#138 Bazza

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Posted 01 July 2007 - 10:20 PM

Hi

Booran Holden are still at that address - it could be that they took over the Dealer Code from Mentone Motors. Booran Holden are currently code 435 which is an old number. It is worth contacting them - someone may remember.

Booran Holden
1212 Nepean Highway, Cheltenham 3192
Phone: (03) 9584 3333

Bazza

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#139 _gtrtorana_

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Posted 02 July 2007 - 07:43 AM

my Mustard '73 2 door was sold new but no dealer code in service book.

PM me the last 7 letters/numbers of your VIN No and I will be able to tell you who your car was allocated to by Holden.

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#140 _big_als_army_

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Posted 08 July 2007 - 01:05 PM

Anyone know of dealer code 601?

Also, on the VIN lists, next to the sales dealer code, there is another code under the heading Z. What does the code in this column refer to? Most are 'B', mine is 'S'.

Thanks.

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#141 WhiteA9XS

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Posted 08 July 2007 - 02:07 PM

Anyone know of dealer code 601?

yes , norman booth dee why nsw ... my car was sold from here also..

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#142 _big_als_army_

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Posted 08 July 2007 - 02:20 PM

Thanks for that 830. Its for a mates GTR, mine is 893 which is already on the list - John A Gilbert at Camperdown.

Edited by big_als_army, 08 July 2007 - 02:23 PM.

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#143 Bazza

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Posted 08 July 2007 - 03:28 PM

Thanks for that 830. Its for a mates GTR, mine is 893 which is already on the list - John A Gilbert at Camperdown.

Hi

John A Gilbert - Camperdown is on the list as 029

Which is correct? or are both correct?.

Bazza

Edited by Bazza, 08 July 2007 - 03:29 PM.

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#144 _big_als_army_

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Posted 08 July 2007 - 03:40 PM

Sorry, yeah 029 is correct which is my LJ GTR's dealer code. I was looking at my LC 4 door's dealer code which is 893. Anyone know what 893 is? Its not on the list. Its probably in QLD somewhere as I got the car from Ipswich.

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#145 Bazza

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Posted 08 July 2007 - 04:15 PM

Hi

I have a "J N Caldwell - Crows Nest NSW" on my dealer list but no code. Does anyone have a dealer code for this one? The dealership was current in Feb 1972.

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#146 _torry72_

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Posted 08 July 2007 - 06:35 PM

Any luck with 587 yet Bazza for my GTR.

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Posted 08 July 2007 - 07:01 PM

Any luck with 587 yet Bazza for my GTR.

Sorry

Nothing at this stage - but always trying to add to the body of info.

Bazza

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Posted 10 July 2007 - 12:33 AM

gtrtorana

Another one - 107 Winter and Taylor - Geelong Vic

Checked with them today - they have had that number for over 50 years.

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Posted 11 July 2007 - 09:55 AM

000 Internal Holden code (race cars, exported cars, internal vehicles etc)
029 John.A.Gilbert, Camperdown NSW
030 Dwyers City Holden. 31-33 Crown St, Wollongong, NSW
048 NSW Government. Police etc
077 Greg Ball Holden, Sutherland (NSW)
078 Southern Motors. 19 Flemington Rd, North Melbourne VIC
080 Peter Robinson Motors, Lilydale Vic (until 1976)
080 Noel Dight Holden Lilydale (VIC) (From 1977)
105 Stuart and Harrison, Mildura, VIC
107 Winter and Taylor - Geelong Vic
129 Motors LTD, HOBART, Tasmania.
134 Motors LTD, Burnie, Tas (from 1971)
134 State Motors Adelaide SA (up to 1971)
140 Freeman Motors, Grenfell St, Adelaide SA
146 Citystate Motors, Sturt St, Adelaide
161 Shack Motors, Cockburn, WA
162 Attwood Motors, Perth WA
166 City Motors, Perth
179 Donlee Motors, Brocken Hill NSW
214 Internal Holden Code for Promotional cars
236 GMH internal
247 GMH Perth
263 Brisbane Internal GM-H public relations
264 Sydney Internal GM-H public relations
265 Melbourne Internal GM-H public relations
266 Adelaide Internal GM-H public relations
269 GMH internal engineering
301 Preston Motors Footscray
303 Cavanagh Motors, Ararat VIC
304 P S Carey Motors - Bacchus Marsh Vic
306 Wyres Bros, Ballarat Vic
323 Parker Bros Pty Ltd (Colac) VIC
331 Burchfield Bros, Deneliquin, N.S.W.
343 Patterson Cheney in Ringwood, VIC
364 Mollison Motors, Kyneton VIC
366 John Ryan Holden, Leeton, NSW
368 Booran Holden, Dandenong, VIC
411 B. G. Hartwig & Co. Wagga Wagga
414 D E Lieschke + Son,Walla Walla NSW
416 Alan Capp Wangaratta VIC
420 Parker Bros Pty Ltd (Warrnambool) VIC
421 Callaghan Motors - (Warrnambool) VIC
428 Des Murphy Holden Narrandera (NSW)
431 Kevin Dennis Motors PTY LTD. 309-313 Bridge Rd, Richmond VIC
433 Dustings Holden at Burwood Victoria
436 Swan Hill Holden 94-102 cambell street Swan Hill
437 Reg Hunt Rhodes
440 Roger Manson Holden Drouin (VIC)
441 Bayside Motors, 54 Playne St, Frankston, VIC
445 Preston Motors ( Malvern ) 1175 High St, Armadale Vic.
452 Patterson Motors VIC Ringwood (from 1972
452 Cheneys Northern Motors Sydney Rd Fawkner Vic (Prior to 1972)
457 Preston Motors Footscray
457 Masseys of Yarraville VIC
495 Commonwealth Motors - Phillip ACT
501 Gilbert and Roach Holden, Hexam
505 Urquhart & Nicholson (NSW)
511 Paul Wakeling Holden, Camden
549 Jack Dodds Motors PTY LTD, Kempsey NSW
553 Todd Holden, Port Macquarie NSW
560 Wal McGarity, 229 Anson St, Orange NSW
561 Muirs Holden, Parramatta Rd, Ashfield
562 Suttons Chullora (NSW)
568 Alan Cooper Motors Narrabri (NSW)
588 Geissler Motors Goulburn (NSW)
600 Kerrys Motors, Springwood, Blue Mountains, NSW
607 Inder Motors, Balgowlah (near Manly)
615 Hunt's Holden Lakemba, Sydney
616 A.C. Mc grath Holden. Liverpool NSW
618 Les Vagg Holden, Pennant hills(now barry smith holden 300)
621 Hillsdon's, Church st, Parramatta, NSW
624 C V Holland Rockdale (NSW)
624 Boyded Holden Rockdale (NSW)
630 Suttons, Arncliffe N.S.W
635 Hawkesbury Valley Holden Windsor NSW
647 Peter Page Elizabeth SA
649 Lecorneus Service Garage, Kingston SA
651 Flight Motors, Loxton, SA
652 Mitchell Holden in Whyalla
658 Gilbert Motors, Mt Barker, SA
685 Cameron Motors, Woomera, SA
668 John H Ellers Brighton SA
691 Smith Motors Port Adelaide, SA
738 Lawsons Holden Beaudesert QLD
738 Bill Chadwick Holden Coolangatta QLD
751 Madills Holden - Gympie QLD
762 Beauchamp Holden, Cabooltule, QLD
815 Melville motors (WA)
871 Ross Llewellyn - Booval NSW
871 Williams Bros PTY LTD, Ballina NSW
884 Border garage Texas
865 Metro Motors, Morley WA
888 Eagers Holden, Breakfast creek Rd Newstead Qld
901 Nanango Motors. 102 Drayton St Nanango, QLD

I have recieved a PM from another forum member the other day letting me know that there is currently someone that has a list which is only 3 dealers away from being totaly complete. Hopefully this list will be displayed so everyone can find the dealer they are after.

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#150 Bazza

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Posted 11 July 2007 - 02:35 PM

Hi

How would they know how many were current at a given time? We can see from what we already have - that we are shooting at a moving target eg. name changes, dealer closures etc etc.

Bazza