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[micklx]

The only problem with this idea is that it will be like every other form of racing. The bloke with the most money will probably win, especially if he chooses the right car to begin with.

[piquet]

Who says that Historuc fields are down.

Phillip Island next weekend has a total of 530 yess five hundred and thirty entries. there are nearly 400 eneterd for private Practice on Friday.

Historic tourers under 3 litre over subscribed, Over three litre being back filled with Ford Capri and EH's just so that they can all get a run

Group S Sports cars over subscribed i think by about 20 cars

Sorry to say with a full programme of all the historic categories at PI ther would be no room for an Aussie Series production class. They would be competing against Group C for grid space. I just cant see it happening despite everyones best intentions

Not to pour cold water on it Id suggest that you contact the local delegate of the AHTCA. The Australian Historic Touring Car association which is a group that has the best intentions in developing Touring car racing in Australia. Its a body made up of delegates from all states, representing all historic touring car clubs, and has a direct line to the Historic Commission, to the Historic Touring Car Eligibility Committee (HTCEC) and to all the state clubs and has done a lot of work on all eligibility matters for the category over all


enuf said as I see this going round in circles at present.

[piquet]

As an aside there really is no such thing as cheap motor sport.
Even on my budget its about $800 -$1000 per race meeting taking everything into account

[Racehatch]

Hi Peter,

As an aside from this proposed Australian Series Production class, do you think a replica group C/A class would be likely to find any support? Obviously costs would be greater (to run in such a class), but the prospect of being able to run a Torana on slick tyres in the spirit of the group c rules is a little more attractive to me - esp as it would be quicker than my current IPRA Torana....

Thats not to say I wouldnt run in the series production class if it did take off... If I had a choice of the 2, I would prob go with group c. The other benefit would be some of the guys with commodores/fowlcans from that era could run as well..

Just interested in your take on things..

cheers,

Sam

[piquet]

I have given you my considered opinion on your idea.
While it has some merit. I think that before you go and do too much more work that a long hard talk to the state body/Historic Commission/ Cams with your idea.


It may also be worthwhile having a look at the CAMS site and get the minutes of the last Historic Commission meeting and have a look at the amount of discussion that they do twice a year on the rules for all classes. You will get some idea of the dilema that they face everytime they meet. I think the last meeting went for two days and about 18-20 hours, so no noone can say that the various commissioners aren't putting in to give the competitors what they want after considered opinions are takem into account. They also have regular tele conference with regard to urgent matters. The minutes are really eye opening.


But as I have said and will keep saying the Biante Mob are no longer Historic and the Historic movement is still very strong. The reason that they are no longer within the 5th category was because they wanted too many freedoms that are not within the Historic Philosophy so they opted out and are now sports sedans in the 3rd category. So if they have stuffed anything up then thay have gone away and we who are really only interested in the Historic Philosophy can get on and go racing as we want.

If the category is in such a mess with the regulations then all I can say is I am sorry. The changes that have come about have been competitor driven not the rule makers. As far as I am aware the regulators have not driven any of the changes, and there has always been extensive consultation before a change has been implemented.

EG

The move to Electronic dissys was because of the lack of suitable strong points to suit the old type dissys.Remember that these engines are now pulling revs that were never anticipated in 1971-72.

World heads on Mustangs because of shortages that are corrosion free of original heads. Same with cylinder blocks.

3.3 blocks because the water jackets on these old 202 are RS and there is really no difference in the blocks except for casting numbers.

Same goes with Cooper S blocks and a whole host of other items along the way for many of the cars in the category.

I noticed that you want toranas to be restricted to SU or Stromberg and allow Barry Grants for a V8. BG carbies were not around in the period and may look like a holley but in reality are nowhere near them. Some of your other ideas are well founded though.
cheers
peter

[Racehatch]

Greg, I'm sure there wont be any shortage of ppl willing to have you crew for them..... me included....

[Racehatch]

Cool man!

If the opportunity does arise, your input would be much appreciated..

[piquet]

After talking to David Twigg WRT the electronic Dissys, I understand that the Standard Holden Bosch thing fitted to Blue and Black motors is essentially the only one that we are allowed to use.

As long as there are only two wires coming from the dissy to the coil it would seem to be OK

seperate trigger boxes are not permitted

Now That is my interpretation of what I have been told and Guess what I have been known to be way off the mark many a time.

There is a CAMS bulletin out outlining exactly what is permitted and what is not.

cheers
peter

[piquet]

Replica cars in Group C. Not sure. I suppose if a car was able to be proven to no longer exist then it could be considered.
It could very easily getout of control like the Biante cars. wher the fact that the older cars built to the Group C regulations are sometimes a biot fragile may work against a significant nu,ber of cars competing.

Already I have heard of some WA based guy playing with his Torana and not wanting to race it as was raced in the period but wanting to change things to suit the currently available parts listings


Again I think that the concept is good but looking at the various race meetings there is now quite often not enough room for all the categories that want to race.
so it gets down as to who drops off.

I understand that the VHRR have had a discussion of dropping a category off each year on a rotation basis . This would take about 10 years to do a full rotation

The Circuit with the biggest problems would be Winton Historic, which is both a Historic car and bike meeting. Their programme is extremely tight for time and races.

Good Idea would you be allowing the rplicas to be built exactly as per the Group, C rgs or require a car to be built to represent a particular point in time in the cars history which may run over several different formats.

This is a current problem for someone that wants to run a BDA escort as the car raced in several formats under different regulations over the cars history
cheers
peter

[Racehatch]

I understand the issue of limited time to run all these extra proposed classes at any one meeting. Its a touchy one, but I guess you need to consider it from both a national level and a state level... Depending on how many categories are entered and what sort of entries you have in each category, surely the possibility of combining some of these categories together would help..? Even if maybe it starts off as a state run thing, and if the demand is there, it will progress to a national level?

At the moment there are no group c/a races in SA, having a class here that we can run in(even if its combined with the existing historic classes) would be awesome... I'm sure having that option (to be able to build and run a replica) would generate some interest from ppl here and get the ball rolling... if that happens in each state it would definately gain momentum..

For me personally, I'm not going to be able to afford to run in a national series straight away, just start off small and go from there...

what do you guys reckon?