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[REDA9X]

Bruce, I'm not mad at you or anyone about not being invited this year. It's a simple case of running out of room, the A9X's were not "kicked out" and I have been telling everyone this would be the case. Every muscle car club and car has it's turn to be invited along. The A9X club has had a very good run, better than the other clubs as a matter of fact thanks to a good relationship with mark and Phil. We can still attend, however it would be in the coral. The parking arrangements would have to have improved before I asked any of our guys to attend in that area however.
Back on subject, the pics don't show up well enough and I'm still not agreeing with charcol being right however as I'm not 100% sure, I'll leave it at that but from what I have in front of me, thats a Gemini colour.

[FLY_AGAIN_XU-1]

Hi FLY.

I'm not 100% sure on the changeover date from the Canadian to the Aussie rims, but I was under the impression it was around late 72/early 73. Maybe Warren Turnbull would know.

I'm sure it's well before the end of the HQ series & before the L34 release.

Are you saying that the early Aussie rims use the early colours?

2-Pack paint has been in Australia since the early 70s, I remember Dulux had stuff called Acran back then. But the Holden factory didn't use 2-Pack until April 1994.

Dr Terry.

G/Day Dr Terry
The earliest recorded Canadian rim i,ve owned was dated late December 1970 with the last recorded being February 1973.



M5 = Canada (M1 = USA)
1 = 1971
4 = April
13 = 13th Day
KU = Style (Vehicle intended for)

13-4-1971

The earliest Australian built rim i,ve owned was dated August 1973. Rims had to be welded rather than riverted by August 1973 (New ADR). At one point i had collected over 600 gts rims over a 20 year period. Today i have less than 30 as the monaro and sandman guys have cleaned me out.

To truely know the original colours we must find rims with there original virgin paint still intact. (I have no 73 or 74 HQ,s left) Old coloured photgraphs of the era are golden to. Yes, early Australian built rims use the early colours to my knowledge.

As allways you are 100% correct, about the 2 pac paint, maybe i should have said became popular in the 90,s.

[Toranavista]

The Charcoal may be a Gemini colour but i could also argue that the Grey & Silver 350 are 1971 � 1972 LC & LJ interior trims colours as my list describes. See pic. I guess they would have been used across many ranges. For my interpretation after reading all of what has been said, is that the A9X had the lighter grey/charcoal tint. The L34 had the darker colour. I personally like the darker shade but are not trying to replicate an A9X rim. My personal choice would be black as used on the long beach customs and many restorations. See pic.

[TerrA LX]

M5 = Canada (M1 = USA)
1 = 1971
4 = April
13 = 13th Day
KU = Style (Vehicle intended for)

13-4-1971

I've never seen a rim restored painted like this, what model was this rim intended for?

[FLY_AGAIN_XU-1]

I've never seen a rim restored painted like this, what model was this rim intended for?

And lets hope we dont see another, I only used this rim because the date coding was the clearest.
This rim was intended for use on HQ,s (Up till August 1973) and some pontiacs etc overseas. KU ran from 1971 to 1973. Quite often the dark shade of the 350 Grey was mistaken for black.

[Toranavista]

Quite often the dark shade of the 350 Grey was mistaken for black.

Sounds reasonable when you consider Charcoal as a shade is often available as a Black or a Grey version. However i have never heard of a black shade of Grey.

[REDA9X]

[quote name='Toranavista' date='Mar 29 2008, 08:44 AM'] The Charcoal may be a Gemini colour but i could also argue that the Grey & Silver 350 are 1971 � 1972 LC & LJ interior trims colours as my list describes. See pic. I guess they would have been used across many ranges. For my interpretation after reading all of what has been said, is that the A9X had the lighter grey/charcoal tint. The L34 had the darker colour. I personally like the darker shade but are not trying to replicate an A9X rim. My personal choice would be black as used on the long beach customs and many restorations. See pic.

That doesn't always mean it's an interior trim colour it means trim as in not a body colour. Thats just listings of all body and exterior colours for that time period. One of my books lists things similarly, but it specififies those colours for GTS rims

[FLY_AGAIN_XU-1]

Quite often the dark shade of the 350 Grey was mistaken for black.

Sounds reasonable when you consider Charcoal as a shade is often available as a Black or a Grey version. However i have never heard of a black shade of Grey.

However, on the Australian built rims which were produced from August 1973 they did use black as a base coat and were completely painted black before the greys and silvers were applied !!!!!!!



Unlike the Canadian built rims (M5, KU) which were used up to August 1973, the Australian built rims had no date codes near the valve stem, only dated inside the rim.




This changed with the release of the mighty A9X Torana (9/77) and the HZ range (10/77). They still retained the date inside the rim with GM 22 3363 added for the GTS rim and GM 22 3366 for the A9X Torana rims. Date coding near the valve stem was back.


320 = 320th day of (Wednesday the 16th of November)
7 = 1977
22 = ROH code for Holden



There were 2 batches of A9X Torana rims built. These are often referred to as 231,s and 256,s.


231 = Friday the 19th of August
7 = 1977
22 = ROH code for Holden
These were generally used on the September built A9X Toranas and had no date inside the rim, only GM 22 3366N.


The 256


256 = Tuesday the 13th of September
7 = 1977
22 = ROH code for Holden
These were generally used on the October, November and December built A9X Toranas and are dated 9/77 inside the rim.



All 1974 LH L34 Torana rims are dated 5/74. However there was another batch produced around the 10th or 11th month of 1976. These were sold over the counter as spare parts.

[FLY_AGAIN_XU-1]

The Charcoal may be a Gemini colour but i could also argue that the Grey & Silver 350 are 1971 � 1972 LC & LJ interior trims colours as my list describes.

You would,nt know what era (Month or Year)
Charcoal Metalic 17473 and
Wheel Silver Metalic 17216
Was introduced would ya ?

Edited by FLY_AGAIN_XU-1, 30 March 2008 - 07:37 PM.

[Toranavista]

The Charcoal may be a Gemini colour but i could also argue that the Grey & Silver 350 are 1971 � 1972 LC & LJ interior trims colours as my list describes.

You would,nt know what era (Month or Year)
Charcoal Metalic 17473 and
Wheel Silver Metalic 17216
Was introduced would ya ?

Sorry 1971 is as much as i know.

[FLY_AGAIN_XU-1]

Dont worry Mick (REDA9X) if this information is proven wrong ill be the first to addmit it.

OK, Here goes, I WAS WRONG...........

On 2 things

1 : Charcoal 17473 IS WRONG



Charcoal 17473 according to records indicate this colour to be a solid (Not metallic) with a hell of alot of flattening agent added. This would give an effect very similiar to GMH Black (Very flat) This would have been used on the dash panel. On my paint tin the code has disappeared and assumed this colour to be correct as it is plastered all over the internet and even a couple of forum members have posted this code, so i assumed this code to be correct. The correct paint code i believe is Silver Grey 15870 & Wheel Silver 17216.




2 : It appears the changeover was,nt with the release of the HJ range at all (10/74) but was with the release of the 1974 colour range. I know the 1973 colour range was,nt released until March 1973 but does anyone on here know when the 1974 colour range was released ????????????????



If you are restoring a HQ built up to August 1973 that used the Canadian built (M5) rims this information below may come in handy for ya. It is my belief these rims were originally painted in a 2 Pac enamel.



All Australian built rims from August 1973 used acrylic paint.




It is my belief that from August 1973 up to the colour change in 1974 that the rims were painted in 350 Grey and the 350 Silver.

2 questions (Favours) i would like to ask from other forum members are :

1 : Does anyone know when the 1974 colour range was introduced ?
2 : Has anyone got any 1973 or 1974 Australian built GTS or L34 rims with original paint still on them ?

Hoping you can forgive me for the earlier mis information......

Cheers, B.

[slr5640]

I know of some one who has an L34 with original paint. I will see what I can do.

[REDA9X]

Looks like the codes I suggested could have been right huh Fly?
I couldn't find dates introduced, but I did go fishing in the boot and in the shed to see what I could turn up and this is what I found.
The rim below is an unmolested original A9X rim in a low KM car. It still has the original tyre thats never been fitted to the car.


The colour looks the same as the one on ebay at the moment
http://cgi.ebay.com....1QQcmdZViewItem

This is an L34 rim painted in 350 grey and 350 silver

It's hard to tell from the pics, but in real life they are very similar, the repainted one looks to be a little darker, but it could also be the paint is a lot thicker than the original rim.

Here are the two of them next to each other

[slr5640]

Has anyone got any 1973 or 1974 Australian built GTS or L34 rims with original paint still on them ?

Here is the unmolested L34 rim with original tyre pictured next to my old wheel which has been painted 350 grey 350 silver. The owner says the repainted one is noticeably darker than the original one. I am going to get my A9X wheels redone in the new paint codes and see how it matches .

[REDA9X]

DON'T forget the paint is 30 years old and they were never painted too well

[Collo]

Once again the amount of knowledge on the forum amazes me. Can't wait till i'm putting mine back together...

[FLY_AGAIN_XU-1]

Looks like the codes I suggested could have been right huh Fly?

YES, Mick (REDA9X) you were 100% correct. A painter friend and i got together and mixed up 6 different Holden greys and silvers, which we then applied to 6 different GTS rims. We had 2 GTS rims with original paint still on them to compare and match by eye.
After mixing and spraying all these Holden Greys & Silvers our conclusion was that Grey 350 (13384) & Silver 350 (13383) was the correct match..............



I do apologize for any misinformation i wrote earlier.

B.

[LS1LX]

This thread is GOLD!

Mods, please make it a sticky.

Cheers.

Come on, how about a little cred to the thread starter?



Gee I painted my rims 12 months back now and this threads still going haha.

I better take a pic of the wheels, its the least I could do to contribute.

BTW I notice people are going to bright on the silver, it needs that ting of green to it.

Edited by LS1LX, 10 May 2008 - 06:31 PM.

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[041SLR5000]

L34 rim colours? I am shore it is 350 grey and 350 silver but what colour is the inside of the rim? Is it the 350 gray or is it black? I have been told to paint them silver inside but looking at the 2 old rims I have they look black! looking forward to feedback. ANDY

[Shiney005]

2 : It appears the changeover was,nt with the release of the HJ range at all (10/74) but was with the release of the 1974 colour range. I know the 1973 colour range was,nt released until March 1973 but does anyone on here know when the 1974 colour range was released ????????????????




2 questions (Favours) i would like to ask from other forum members are :

1 : Does anyone know when the 1974 colour range was introduced ?

Cheers, B.

 

3 colour charts for 1974. The first one was January, with another one released in March, however it was identical. The new colours didn't come online until October 1974. I believe this is when the GTS wheels changed over. (After L34 production) Eyepeeler has an A9X rim on his unrestored L34 and you can see the difference in the colour.

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[yel327]

The only reason for the March 1974 colour chart A622 was to add TA Torana (Torana 1300).

 

The colour change is because the HQ wheels were imported but HJ were made by ROH locally. Logic tells you that the L34 rims would be painted the same as HJ as they were made here but things aren't always logical!

[Shiney005]

Reading the early part of the thread, it looks like ROH started making the rims in 1973, so there was a period between then and October 1974 where the ROH rims were the earlier colours.