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[Growla]

I found this sump in America to suit older GM cars. Is there someone who has experience with fitting the LS1 engine, know before I start if the sump has enough length to the bowl section to clear the cross member. I checked it agains the old 253 sump and at that measurement it goes off at an angle to the rear and there is maybe another 2-3cm further in length to the deep section of the bowl (I hope I make sense). Not a right angle like this one. I think it might have clearance issues.

cheers
Mark

[orangeLJ]

clearance issues in what model car??

[ls2lxhatch]

You will find measurements and pictures of the CAE sump to suit LS1 into LX in this thread.

http://www.gmh-toran...opic=9656&st=15

Comparing a 253 sump to a LS1 sump is not very helpful as you do not know where the engine is sitting and the sump starts in relation to the cross-member.

Comparing your measurements with the CAE sump should tell you if it will fit. If you want I can give you the measurements for where the engine mounts on the LS1 are in relation to the sump using CAE engine mounts.

You could also try ringing Castlemain Rod Shop and ask them for the measurements. They have a modified Camaro Sump to suit an LS1 LX in the workshop.

If you are in Perth then you can come around and try it.

Edited by ls2lxhatch, 20 April 2007 - 10:23 AM.

[Growla]

Sorry forgot to mention Its for an LX.

[ls2lxhatch]

When you compare it to this photo of the CAE sump it looks like it will fit.

https://cache.gmh-to...h/P1120585a.jpg

How is the oil filter mounted on this sump? I can see the oil galleries and the cutout for the filter but there appears to be a piece missing.

Do you have any more pictures or information?

[Growla]

Ok here's the link http://carshop.carsh...id/81168/LS1PAN.

I have emailed them about the sump/oil pan and it comes with pickup and oil filter adapter. The photo on the link is different to this one I posted as they have increased the capacity by kicking out the sides. They emailed those photoes this morning. (Their price is really affordable with the exchange rate. Plus approx $60.00USD delivery).

But since you mentioned the oil filter etc (which i didn't notice), I"ve also picked up there is no sump plug either.
I will email again to confirm what is required. (may not be the bargain I hoped for)

cheers
Mark

[ls2lxhatch]

It would be interesting to see the inside of the sump. It appears there is some sort of baffling around the pickup.

[Growla]

Ok it has a sump plug and it has the oil filter adapter and pick up.



Mark

[Growla]

No worries, I have found a person here in Canberra who has fitted the LS1 using the CRS engine mounts but is still hasn't fitted the sump but the engine is in (He is keen to buy one if it suits). This week I'll go and measure up and let you know.

Cheers
Mark.

[ls2lxhatch]

Once you have the measurements here are a couple more.

Moroso
http://www.jegs.com/...10002_623477_-1

Milodon
http://www.abswebser...duct_Code=30915

Canton Racing Products
http://www.cantonrac...pr_13-274a.html
http://canton.carsho...d/83966/13-274A

Australian Canton Dealer
www.precisionintl.com

One thing to note is that none of the aftermarket sumps are designed to have the gearbox bolted to them. I am lead to believe that the standard sumps are refereed to as structural sumps because the gearbox is strengthened by bolting to the sump.

This picture of the VZ LS2 with the standard sump shows the gearbox mount.
https://cache.gmh-to...ch/P1120605.jpg

If you are not running a LS1/LS2 gearbox then this is not a problem. I have a 4L65e so it is preferable to have a structural sump.

I have given up waiting for CAE to make an LS1 sump to suit the Torana, they tell me any week now and have been saying that since Sept 06. I have purchased a LS1 Camaro sump from Eagle Auto for $660. The front of the sump needs to be cut and shut to suit the Torana. This will cost around $200 at CRS or CAE.

Something like this.
https://cache.gmh-to.../CamaroSump.jpg

This is similar to was LS1LX has done.

[355LX]

Not in the near future but eventually I think I'll be going LS1 into LX and the more I read about sumps to suit, the more I think I'll be considering a dry sump. The initial outlay would be three times that of a wet sump, but the fit and added advantages would be more than worth it. They can be had for about $2500 to $3000, maybe less if you really shop around.

Dave

[ls2lxhatch]

The quote for the dry sump at the bottom of this page was $USD 2875.00

http://www.drysump.com/pan1a.htm

https://cache.gmh-to.../hppscan123.jpg

The depth of the LS1 1005M dry sump pan is 3.750" (95mm) at the deepest point of the scavenge "bumps".The front is under 2.0" (50mm) I will send you a link to the web site picture of this pan.  Shipping via parcel post air is approx. $120

All the dry sump systems I have seen in Australia have the scavenger pump at the front which will not clear the Torana crossmember.

[LJ383]

Im fitting a Ls1 using the engine mount adapters.
Adapters

Anyone else doing similar?
By the way i recommend carshop inc....my purchases with them have been faultless.

Adam

[LJ383]

Yes chopper. But in mine it goes holden v8 mounts with chev adapaters that bolt onto these plates on the block.
Also for a sump this guy is selling one thats from carshop inc. Anyone think maybe it doesnt fit straight in??? Reason its being sold.???
ls1 sump

Cheers
Adam

[Growla]

One thing to note is that none of the aftermarket sumps are designed to have the gearbox bolted to them. I am lead to believe that the standard sumps are refereed to as structural sumps because the gearbox is strengthened by bolting to the sump.

This picture of the VZ LS2 with the standard sump shows the gearbox mount.

If you are not running a LS1/LS2 gearbox then this is not a problem. I have a 4L65e so it is preferable to have a structural sump.

Ok, I have measured the clearance with CRS engine mounts. This sump will go close to fitting without any mods. Maybe where it kicks out on one side could be a problem.
There is about 13mm clearance from the deep bowl section of the sump to the cross member. As the engine is sitting without a gearbox the sump may be closer or further depending on the final angle when the gearbox is installed. Without the gearbox the engine was angled back towards the ground at the flywheel which would bring the sump closer to the cross member.
There is about 4mm clearance with the steering rack at it mounting points.

After LS2LXHatch comments on structural sumps I think I'll modify a camaro sump. I'm going to run a T56 gearbox.

If the bolts to the gearbox throught the sump are not really required then I'll use the sump from the car shop in america.

cheers
Mark

[LS1LX]

Allow enough clearance for the engine to rock as well