i know its been covered before but im curious, i got my green P's June last year and drive a v8. so i was wondering how/if these laws affect me.
anyone know the specifics of these laws. i checked the RTA site but i can find anything definative. when were they introduced? if they were introduced after i got my greens do they affect me?
maybe our resident law enforcer knows something?
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Posted 01 May 2007 - 01:31 AM
They only affect people coming off their L's onto RED P's .
It does not affect you if you got your REDS before restrictions came into effect.
It should say on your licence under conditions that you can drive e.g S for glasses, A for automatic Y for prohibited vehicles. So if you don't have a Y then you are free to do as you please.
It will only affect you if you get your licence disqualified. I don't think suspensions/demerits have the same affect. It needs to be disqualified, then you are restricted to non-V8's/turbos.
It does not affect you if you got your REDS before restrictions came into effect.
It should say on your licence under conditions that you can drive e.g S for glasses, A for automatic Y for prohibited vehicles. So if you don't have a Y then you are free to do as you please.
It will only affect you if you get your licence disqualified. I don't think suspensions/demerits have the same affect. It needs to be disqualified, then you are restricted to non-V8's/turbos.
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Posted 01 May 2007 - 10:06 AM
f*cking bulshit, i ewnt for my Ps twice before the restriction came in in 05, and the same dude failed me twice. I had a friend go before me the second time, she passed and he even said to her "we are trying to stop young blokles from passing before this new law" piss me off. passed with flying colours the day after the law came in (11th july 05) 
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Posted 01 May 2007 - 11:03 AM
yeah these new laws really suck in away but there to help, i don't personally agree!, gona feel sorry for people that get their L's was 50 hours know 120 and there trying to make it 150 hours, by the sounds of things its only gona get worse, even P's i gota go for em in July and know its a twice aslonger test god dammit!
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Posted 01 May 2007 - 11:32 AM
phew thank god for that.
thanks for that Jbird my licence only says C, vehicle seating under 12 adults.
yeah NSW is getting a bit too uptight and i bet it wont change the road tolls, time to move to adelaide i think.
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thanks for that Jbird my licence only says C, vehicle seating under 12 adults.
yeah NSW is getting a bit too uptight and i bet it wont change the road tolls, time to move to adelaide i think.
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Posted 01 May 2007 - 02:01 PM
Mate you have no idea if you are really backing these laws.yeah these new laws really suck in away but there to help, i don't personally agree!, gona feel sorry for people that get their L's was 50 hours know 120 and there trying to make it 150 hours, by the sounds of things its only gona get worse, even P's i gota go for em in July and know its a twice aslonger test god dammit!
If I could be bothered finding the statistics I would. But even when you COMPENSATE for the increase in P platers on the roads, the deaths have increased after the restrictions were put in place, in the same time period. Meaning that these restrictions have done NOTHING. The problem with the L's to P's transition is that a lot of parents (who do most of the oversighting for the 50 hours now 120 hours) don't teach their kids to respect the car, but to respect to the insurance policy.
This is a typical example of a L plater.
James is an L plater, he is forced to drive 50 in a 60 zone, because his dad is scared he will stick the car. During his whole time he "learns" the car is driven like a granny. He is constantly told not to ever crash, he is never exposed to any emergency situations.
Because there is no compulsory driver training courses he has to undertake, all he has to learn is to reverse park and three point turn.
James now has his P's. He drives for the first time and regularly checks his speedo to /make sure he is under. Not paying attention to the road, he will most likely swerve to avoid something and slam the brakes to stop. Unsettling the vehicle and losing traction at the same time, sliding him into a pole.
On a second note, I am on restrictions. I don't see the point of 120 hours, it just means there will be more faking in log books for 80% of L platers. I agree that most L platers won't be able to handle a "high powered" vehicle just as yet, but there should be more consistent measures put in place. Similar to a motorbike license. L's = 250 cc Ps = 600cc etc etc.
Maybe we could have a licensing system that a Provisional for higher powered cars - After being on Reds for a year, before moving onto Green you have to do a driver training course that teaches you how to control oversteer, emergency braking etc.
High-Po or Corolla, I think it would be important for most young drivesr to know this shit anyway
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Posted 01 May 2007 - 02:20 PM
i really think theses P plater laws are quite stupid......i might be the only one that sees it this way but you could die in any car really... for god sake you can die riding a push bike.... so wat were guna have restrictions on wat push bike to ride????.........these laws wont change the way people go about there driving.......elike here in VIC the new law is no V8 no turbo etc.......the kids down here arnt dumb..... jus get a 4cyl with rear wheel drive ...weld the diff and bak to hooning again.. its still the same concept no matter wat car you drive u can alwayz be stupid in it......even thou some P platers make it bad for others wat can you do??? well thats how i see it any way
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Posted 01 May 2007 - 02:34 PM
This doesn't apply to me, being an SAlien, but - in NSW, you're allowed to drive a 200kW, or thereabouts, NA Skyline, but you're not allowed to drive a HZ Statesman with a 253, or your old man's Turbo Diesel Rodeo... Work that shit out.
I'm glad I'm in SA, although 80km/h on the highways is just downright dangerously slow, IMO... It just forces the rest of the traffic into the other lane to overtake us (L platers).
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I'm glad I'm in SA, although 80km/h on the highways is just downright dangerously slow, IMO... It just forces the rest of the traffic into the other lane to overtake us (L platers).
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Posted 01 May 2007 - 02:48 PM
NA skyline doesn't have that much Tim. R34 Turbo has 206kw at engine.
V6 Alloytec has 190kw, you can drive that. But no R33 Turbo which is also about 185kw at the engine. Granted its about 150kgs lighter.
176kw Honda S2000 RWD, knife-edge handling is also P plate legal.
Lotus Elises were also P plate legal, not sure if that has been amended yet.
Small capacity Turbo vehicles have been taken off the restrictions list. E.g Suzuki Cappucino which has a tyre ripping 46kw or something.
Yeah true enough, dickhead drivers will be dicks - can't change that, They were all on their Ps at some stage.
Slow drivers cause accidents, like Tim pointed out, 80 on a highway is asking to be shot.
Learners is understandable in a way, fulls in inexcusable. 100 zone, 1 lane, they travel at 90, when it opens up to two lanes they speed up, then slow down again. Annoying as hell. You want to overtake but then youll be breaking the law. Bastids.
V6 Alloytec has 190kw, you can drive that. But no R33 Turbo which is also about 185kw at the engine. Granted its about 150kgs lighter.
176kw Honda S2000 RWD, knife-edge handling is also P plate legal.
Lotus Elises were also P plate legal, not sure if that has been amended yet.
Small capacity Turbo vehicles have been taken off the restrictions list. E.g Suzuki Cappucino which has a tyre ripping 46kw or something.
Yeah true enough, dickhead drivers will be dicks - can't change that, They were all on their Ps at some stage.
Slow drivers cause accidents, like Tim pointed out, 80 on a highway is asking to be shot.
Learners is understandable in a way, fulls in inexcusable. 100 zone, 1 lane, they travel at 90, when it opens up to two lanes they speed up, then slow down again. Annoying as hell. You want to overtake but then youll be breaking the law. Bastids.
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Posted 01 May 2007 - 04:38 PM
1TUFSLR is on the ball IMO. Anyone can drive dangerously in any vehicle. The more power it has, the more used to it the driver gets and learns to moderate the throttle, but the easier it is to be stupid. The less power it has, the more the driver gets used to giving it greif to get anywhere.
Same as poor handling. Get an 80 year old car because it isn't a "performance" car, but at the same time you might lose it doing 45km/h in the dry and kill yourself. Or get a Lotus Elise and always be eager to push it further and further, then you lose it at 115km/h in the wet and it's all over.
There is no way to get around stupidity. I know people that learnt to drive in twin turbo V8 powered Cortinas back in the day and they're still alive. Man... Survival of the fittest. Sorry to their famiies, but f*ck if they wanna be idiots on the road and be influenced by their friends who are idiots or they actually know what they're doing (it doesn't matter; young people aren't very good judge of character anyway) then that's their choice and they can go and kill themselves. Just pray they don't take anyone else out in the process.
I don't want some dickheads ruining my ability to drive performance cars when, where and how I want.
Same as poor handling. Get an 80 year old car because it isn't a "performance" car, but at the same time you might lose it doing 45km/h in the dry and kill yourself. Or get a Lotus Elise and always be eager to push it further and further, then you lose it at 115km/h in the wet and it's all over.
There is no way to get around stupidity. I know people that learnt to drive in twin turbo V8 powered Cortinas back in the day and they're still alive. Man... Survival of the fittest. Sorry to their famiies, but f*ck if they wanna be idiots on the road and be influenced by their friends who are idiots or they actually know what they're doing (it doesn't matter; young people aren't very good judge of character anyway) then that's their choice and they can go and kill themselves. Just pray they don't take anyone else out in the process.
I don't want some dickheads ruining my ability to drive performance cars when, where and how I want.
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Posted 01 May 2007 - 04:50 PM
well said heath 
well look at it this way my first car was a LX powered 350 chev
....and im still alive and kiking and yes i must admit i did stupid things ova the time but there was a place and time...
i think this law will go through one ear and out the other for new platers... there not goin to listen...well im 20 now nd got 8 months to i get off my P'S so i cant wait
i think the coppers should spend more time getting the rapists and phedophiles than getiing so involed wit this P plater law!!!!!!
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well look at it this way my first car was a LX powered 350 chev
....and im still alive and kiking and yes i must admit i did stupid things ova the time but there was a place and time...i think this law will go through one ear and out the other for new platers... there not goin to listen...well im 20 now nd got 8 months to i get off my P'S so i cant wait
i think the coppers should spend more time getting the rapists and phedophiles than getiing so involed wit this P plater law!!!!!!
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Really tho those tests are bullshit there needs to be Practical exams added maybe a Advanced driving course. Doing a therory Ls test then Practical Ps test then its a touch screen test for Green Ps then another computer test to get off ure Green Ps
If they dropped the Last test witch is all statistics And added a Advanced Driving course would help alot Imo Today with Better Roads Safer cars and better driving Training I dont understand why there is So many P plater deaths anyway M 2 cents
If they dropped the Last test witch is all statistics And added a Advanced Driving course would help alot Imo Today with Better Roads Safer cars and better driving Training I dont understand why there is So many P plater deaths anyway M 2 cents
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Posted 01 May 2007 - 08:46 PM
The only way to combat it is to get it into their bloody heads that if they f*ck around, they will have to face the consequences, and they need to understand the consequences. And until Euthenasia gets passed as a law, those consequences can be really bad.
Give them advanced/defensive driving courses? What will that achieve? It will just make them even more over confident. They need to have the correct attitude first. Some people will never learn.
I just hope that I learn without doing too much damage to myself or others.
Give them advanced/defensive driving courses? What will that achieve? It will just make them even more over confident. They need to have the correct attitude first. Some people will never learn.
I just hope that I learn without doing too much damage to myself or others.
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Heath Advanced driving course would make u a better driver and understand what could happen when u do stupid things. Alot better then the Current system i remember when i got my Blacks a question was Who is more Likely to have a accident young old people etc. Gl with changing Attitudes Heath doesnt work like that mate And u will do something stupid when u get ure licence I promise
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Posted 01 May 2007 - 09:10 PM
i agree with the advanced driver training breeding "cocky" drivers. The attitude adjustment needs to happen first.
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Posted 01 May 2007 - 09:12 PM
all cos a couple of idiots crash their cars and kill their friends, millions of people have to be affected by these new laws because of the very small minority's stupidity
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There are good and bad points for the laws.
Good Points:
Sure you can weld gemini diffs and still do burnouts, but theres a difference between driving a gemini and a twin turbo powered V8. One your burning rubber at 30km/h the other your doing it at 130+km/h.
Has anyone seen what a car looks like when it hits a tree at 60km/h... what about one thats hit a tree at 160km/h?
Yes, the dickheads will still speed, do burnouts etc etc wether they have a high powered car or not, but it will be at a much slower speed
Bad Points:
But the stupid side of the law is you cant drive something like a 253 V8 with as much horsepower as a ride on mower.
If they made the restrictions a power to weight thing it would be better. (Such as for motorcycles where it is 150kw/ton, but still has to be under 660cc)
Defensive driving courses should be compulsory. I did one and found it absolutely awesome, you learn heaps, and you can find what your cars limit is.
Good Points:
Sure you can weld gemini diffs and still do burnouts, but theres a difference between driving a gemini and a twin turbo powered V8. One your burning rubber at 30km/h the other your doing it at 130+km/h.
Has anyone seen what a car looks like when it hits a tree at 60km/h... what about one thats hit a tree at 160km/h?
Yes, the dickheads will still speed, do burnouts etc etc wether they have a high powered car or not, but it will be at a much slower speed
Bad Points:
But the stupid side of the law is you cant drive something like a 253 V8 with as much horsepower as a ride on mower.
If they made the restrictions a power to weight thing it would be better. (Such as for motorcycles where it is 150kw/ton, but still has to be under 660cc)
Defensive driving courses should be compulsory. I did one and found it absolutely awesome, you learn heaps, and you can find what your cars limit is.
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Have half you guys even done a Defensive driving course??
All this bullshit talk about breeding cocky drivers. It breeds confidence and respect for your vehicle in the majority of cases. I would rather have dickhead drivers on the road who know what to do before something goes wrong.
How many situtations on the road are you allowed "see"(experiment) what would happen if you swerved suddenly, locked up, massive understeer etc. and nothing bad will happen? Having an instructor say to your face, if you were doing 10 more km/h you would been over there and possibly into a tree...now go do it at 10km/h more. My attitude changed completely afterwards and I had a lot more respect for my vehicle.
All this bullshit talk about breeding cocky drivers. It breeds confidence and respect for your vehicle in the majority of cases. I would rather have dickhead drivers on the road who know what to do before something goes wrong.
How many situtations on the road are you allowed "see"(experiment) what would happen if you swerved suddenly, locked up, massive understeer etc. and nothing bad will happen? Having an instructor say to your face, if you were doing 10 more km/h you would been over there and possibly into a tree...now go do it at 10km/h more. My attitude changed completely afterwards and I had a lot more respect for my vehicle.
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Posted 01 May 2007 - 11:54 PM
my mum has to do one every year for her work.. she says you learn heaps about what YOUR car can do and what it can't.
displacement restrictions are stupid. anyone ever been in a webbered escort, or tricked off its tits 180sx?
displacement restrictions are stupid. anyone ever been in a webbered escort, or tricked off its tits 180sx?
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Not a Webered Escort, but I've been in an N/A 2.2 Litre SR20 200sx and that thing pulled as hard as a V8..NO LIE! It was downright scary, I thought they put a Nissan V8 in it.
A lot of the P-plate deaths you see in newspapers, you see tyre marks where they locked their wheels going too fast into a corner and braking too late, understeering off the road into a pole. If they had done a training course they would've known that that distance in combination with shitty brakes would not be enough to slow down...It's not Grand Turismo you know - and some people just lack common sense.
A lot of the P-plate deaths you see in newspapers, you see tyre marks where they locked their wheels going too fast into a corner and braking too late, understeering off the road into a pole. If they had done a training course they would've known that that distance in combination with shitty brakes would not be enough to slow down...It's not Grand Turismo you know - and some people just lack common sense.
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Posted 02 May 2007 - 12:43 AM
It's not Grand Turismo you know
Exactly. We're in a generation now where a lot of people's first 'driving' experiences will be behind a console game. Get em into the real world, and they realise that when you hit a barrier at 100km/h, it won't just crack your windscreen.
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when I was on my p's a while agoe & had to be on them for two years the first year my licence was up for renewal I had to fill out the form and it asked me if I was renewing my p's or open licence I still had another year to go on my P's but thought I'd tick the open licence and see what happens. I expected the computer to pick it up and just automatically process my P type licence but it didnt I got my open licence as it states on the licence one year earlier than I should have 
Didnt really make much difference as I'm in qld dont need to display p plates and I never gone done for speeding or anything but if I had I'd have a few more points to juggle with.
Didnt really make much difference as I'm in qld dont need to display p plates and I never gone done for speeding or anything but if I had I'd have a few more points to juggle with.
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totally agree driving courses should be made compolsury.
funny side note,
went to the RTA today to change rego over, and there i saw a woman bout 50, and what was undoubtably her mother bout 80, this old lady had a walking stick moved slower than a tortise, your tippical senior citizen. my number came up so i went to the counter and did my business and to my shock, and plenty of others including some RTA staff the old bird was having her driver license photo taken.
i couldnt help but wonder at how she could possibly be a compatent driver given her age, dodgy leg, and hugely thick glasses.
not having a go at seniors as we are all going to be one one day, some sooner than others, but im sure senoirs cause accidents you just dont see it in the news as often as p platers.
im gonna look into doing a defensive driving course before the insurance is up for renewal. at my uni the police practise their driving maybe i'll ask them to point me in the right direction.
funny side note,
went to the RTA today to change rego over, and there i saw a woman bout 50, and what was undoubtably her mother bout 80, this old lady had a walking stick moved slower than a tortise, your tippical senior citizen. my number came up so i went to the counter and did my business and to my shock, and plenty of others including some RTA staff the old bird was having her driver license photo taken.
i couldnt help but wonder at how she could possibly be a compatent driver given her age, dodgy leg, and hugely thick glasses.
not having a go at seniors as we are all going to be one one day, some sooner than others, but im sure senoirs cause accidents you just dont see it in the news as often as p platers.
im gonna look into doing a defensive driving course before the insurance is up for renewal. at my uni the police practise their driving maybe i'll ask them to point me in the right direction.
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Posted 02 May 2007 - 04:01 AM
I bothered. Here's some statistics for 2005.
Fatal Crashes.
17-20 = 22
21-25 = 28 Total 50 deaths
60->70, Total 44 deaths.
Between ages 30-50 the average was 35 deaths (70 Total). Theres some food for thought.
There was a study conducted in America that found old people are more likely to die on the from driving than from any other cause.
Fatal Crashes.
17-20 = 22
21-25 = 28 Total 50 deaths
60->70, Total 44 deaths.
Between ages 30-50 the average was 35 deaths (70 Total). Theres some food for thought.
There was a study conducted in America that found old people are more likely to die on the from driving than from any other cause.
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Posted 02 May 2007 - 03:19 PM
edit: i decided its not worth getting in to an argumetn that has happned before
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