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#1 torry nut

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Posted 30 June 2007 - 04:34 PM

It seems that both of the LJ HDT cars have now been located.

Does anybody know the where abouts of the LC ones ?

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#2 _gmhgtr_

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Posted 30 June 2007 - 07:42 PM

It seems that both of the LJ HDT cars have now been located.

Does anybody know the where abouts of the LC ones ?

yeah thats a good one torry nut, id like to know that to know actually!
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#3 _nzgtrxu1_

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Posted 30 June 2007 - 09:10 PM

ive wondered the same thing too. ive also thought of painting my LC xu1 in 71 HDT war paint but as my car is a 70 it prob wouldnt be the thing to do.
does anyone know how many LJ HDT cars there were orig?. there was way more than just two, in 73 there is a pic in "bathurst toranas" book showing three at that time alone. plus the old circut cars did time as rally weapons.

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#4 _oz772_

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Posted 01 July 2007 - 04:40 AM

The first LJ race cars were the silver ones with the pink day-glo writing. I saw them raced at Warwick Farm in the early part of '72. They had the steel rims.
Here is one at Oran Park.
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Posted 01 July 2007 - 08:35 AM

Lots were just road cars with roll cages fittted..when the LJ came out they usually swapped the cage and traded in the car again as a roady..pays to look at your car for the tell tales rollcage bolt holes.
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Posted 01 July 2007 - 09:05 AM

I know of a Yellow Dolly LC XU-1 which is in the final stages of a full resto, it's the ex Brock car and owned by a well known muscle car enthusiast who resides in Qld! :spoton:

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#7 torry nut

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Posted 01 July 2007 - 03:20 PM

So 2600S

that wouldn't be 32D surely ? If so are you saying that the car was originally yellow dolly ??

Who is the well know enthusiast ?

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Posted 01 July 2007 - 09:14 PM

Hi Torrynut,

My understanding is that it's the same car Brock and Firth took to Macau, not sure If I have spelt this correctly, as for the owner, let's just say it's up to him to divulge the info but I am sure you know of him! :spoton:

Sorry but don't want to talk out of turn if you know what I mean?

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Posted 02 July 2007 - 03:46 PM

Lots were just road cars with roll cages fittted..when the LJ came out they usually swapped the cage and traded in the car again as a roady..pays to look at your car for the tell tales rollcage bolt holes.
R

That's exactly what said dude in Townsville did. He had his car on a rotisserie and noticed the roll cage holes..did some investigations and hey presto!

It reall does pay to check.

I must say it's looking a million bucks too. Very jealous.

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Posted 02 July 2007 - 04:36 PM

Where are the typical 70s cage bolt holes for an LC?

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Posted 02 July 2007 - 06:56 PM

Scotty, glad you know who I am talking about! :spoton:

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Posted 07 July 2007 - 07:32 PM

The only genuine ex hdt lc that still exists is" saggy sarah" .the car started its life as the yellow dolly 1970 bond car KSN116, the was then painted green for bond then used as a rally car by hdt until being sold to peter janson, and then carried the number plate BJD440. the car was used extensively in rally/sports sedan by janson until being sold to bruce watt and converted to full time sports sedan. the car still has its current log book and is turn key."and been authenticated by harry firth/ian tate" and has the running gear of the brock rally cross beast, it lives in adelaide.KSA302 does not exist as it never came back from macau, i believe teddy yipp was using over there and was written off,so what ever is being built is a mock up.KRK720=BOI812 another transformation that does not exist, written off by barry ferguson i think.the two 71 lc bathurst cars were converted to rally cars in early 72 and carried the numbers ,KZR545,KZR565 ,these cars also got a lj facelift, cant help you with their fate but it wouldnt be good. the rally x beast was cut up,as most were just about totalled after rallying.there are 3 ex hdt ljs that still exist brocks 72/28c his 73/no1 and bonds 72/24c,bonds 73 car was written of on the way to surfers by a wine tanker, just ask wayne negus he was driving the 1 tonner.cheers daz

Edited by LGN347/24C, 07 July 2007 - 07:46 PM.

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#13 _rorym_

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Posted 07 July 2007 - 07:42 PM

Daz,
Do you mean it has the supercharged engine out of the rally cross car?..
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#14 _LGN347/24C_

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Posted 07 July 2007 - 07:51 PM

absouloutly yes,i freaked my self when i saw it, bruce watt was working for harry at the time he built the car , thats the link, this car has more race miles than all the others put together.ive got a picture of the beast eng in 72 and its the same right down to the hand made Tate idler pulley. cheers daz

Edited by LGN347/24C, 07 July 2007 - 07:55 PM.

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#15 _nzgtrxu1_

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Posted 07 July 2007 - 08:01 PM

Daz what a great bit of updated history. You should be a contributor to Australian Muscle Car mag with your knowledge. howz 24c coming along?

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#16 _rorym_

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Posted 07 July 2007 - 08:07 PM

I can confirm the Macau car was trashed.(it was an LC with Globe 6 x 13 alloys on it for that race there..)LinaMint off memory???).have pics somewhere of it..It slammed the wall and the grill was somewhere near the windscreen line. I was in Macau when Warwick Brown was there for Theodore Racing/Lola T330/332 (cant remember) F5000 to run in the Tasman/Gold Star Series sponsored by Teddy Yip and saw the end result. Ugly. I am PISSED I missed 27 F5000s leaving the line at P.I....I would have been back in 1974! EVERYONE says the earth moved under you that day!

R

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#17 _LGN347/24C_

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Posted 07 July 2007 - 10:37 PM

to nzgtrxu1 and those interested,thankyou for asking, its coming along nicely, decals nearly done, have found alot of the orig paint scheme is still on it to my surprise,and found some really juicy stuff about the car recently after a talk with the owner of 28c. yes rory you are 100% correct about macau,and that would have been a huge miss at P I, i think i heard/felt it in adelaide

cheers daz

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#18 _LGN347/24C_

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Posted 08 July 2007 - 04:54 AM

no im thinking of the green one that went to numea that bond/brock drove, that one KRK720/BOI812 came back,the macau car KSA302 was yellow dolly,brock /harry went. sorry had a senior citz momment. daz :spoton:

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#19 _rorym_

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Posted 10 July 2007 - 08:06 PM

The only genuine ex hdt lc that still exists is" saggy sarah" .the car started its life as the yellow dolly 1970 bond car KSN116, the was then painted green for bond� then used as a rally car by hdt until being sold to peter janson, and then carried the number plate BJD440. the car was used extensively in rally/sports sedan by janson until being sold to bruce watt and converted to full time sports sedan. the car still has its current log� book and is turn key."and been authenticated by harry firth/ian tate" and has the running gear of the brock rally cross beast, it lives in adelaide.KSA302� does not exist as it never came back from macau, i believe teddy yipp was using over there and was written off,so what ever is being built is a mock up.KRK720=BOI812 another transformation� that does not exist, written off by barry ferguson i think.the two 71 lc bathurst cars were converted to rally cars in early 72 and carried the numbers ,KZR545,KZR565 ,these cars also got a lj facelift, cant help you with their fate but it wouldnt be good. the rally x beast was cut up,as most were just about totalled after rallying.there are 3 ex hdt ljs that still exist brocks 72/28c his 73/no1 and bonds 72/24c,bonds 73 car was written of on the way to surfers by a wine tanker, just ask wayne negus he was driving the 1 tonner.cheers daz �

Sorry Daz..you are wrong..KSN-116 was the 1970 LC Yellow Dolly series Production car used to make the LC XU1 V8 prototype..Driven by Bond at Bathurst that year. refer autopics for the car with its plates attached.also see front cover of AMC Issue 9. At Easter Bathurst in 72 it evolved into a semi sports sedan with flared guards front and rear.I was sure Saggy Sarah was Brock series prod car from Bathurst in 1970 (40C).The Linamint car you refer to was a Opel boxed up front rally car selected by Harry off the first production run to put Bond straight into the Aust Rally Cjhampionships, it is featured on the Chevron CD for HDT as the promo car for HDT in rallies. I am shit caned sure the Macau car was LinaMint but I am always willing to be proven wrong with a colour photo.
Rory

Edited by rorym, 10 July 2007 - 08:18 PM.

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Posted 10 July 2007 - 08:29 PM

. I am PISSED I missed 27 F5000s leaving the line at P.I....I would have been back in 1974! EVERYONE says the earth moved under you that day!

R

I was there and can confirm it was a sensational weekend, was awestruck seeing an angry pack of F5000 coming around turn 1 for the first time... Not something I'll forget in a hurry... :spoton:

Stubber in that HDT A9X put on a great spectacle as well, that guy drives the car the way it was built to be driven.... flat chat!

Edited by 350LH, 10 July 2007 - 08:30 PM.

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Posted 10 July 2007 - 08:35 PM

I am quite enjoying the read on this thread!

All we need now is some pics!!! :spoton:

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#22 _rorym_

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Posted 10 July 2007 - 08:41 PM

. I am PISSED I missed 27 F5000s leaving the line at P.I....I would have been back in 1974! EVERYONE says the earth moved under you that day!

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I was there and can confirm it was a sensational weekend, was awestruck seeing an angry pack of F5000 coming around turn 1 for the first time... Not something I'll forget in a hurry...

Stubber in that HDT A9X put on a great spectacle as well, that guy drives the car the way it was built to be driven.... flat chat!

Mate when I worked for Frank Matich I would chew my left arm off to get to the F5000 meetings...also helped my boss used to win 90% of them as well! :spoton:

Only thing that ever came close was Top Fuel rails for me..
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#23 _rorym_

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Posted 11 July 2007 - 07:25 AM

The only genuine ex hdt lc that still exists is" saggy sarah" .the car started its life as the yellow dolly 1970 bond car KSN116, the was then painted green for bond� then used as a rally car by hdt until being sold to peter janson, and then carried the number plate BJD440. the car was used extensively in rally/sports sedan by janson until being sold to bruce watt and converted to full time sports sedan. the car still has its current log� book and is turn key."and been authenticated by harry firth/ian tate" and has the running gear of the brock rally cross beast, it lives in adelaide.KSA302� does not exist as it never came back from macau, i believe teddy yipp was using over there and was written off,so what ever is being built is a mock up.KRK720=BOI812 another transformation� that does not exist, written off by barry ferguson i think.the two 71 lc bathurst cars were converted to rally cars in early 72 and carried the numbers ,KZR545,KZR565 ,these cars also got a lj facelift, cant help you with their fate but it wouldnt be good. the rally x beast was cut up,as most were just about totalled after rallying.there are 3 ex hdt ljs that still exist brocks 72/28c his 73/no1 and bonds 72/24c,bonds 73 car was written of on the way to surfers by a wine tanker, just ask wayne negus he was driving the 1 tonner.cheers daz �
Sorry Daz..you are wrong..KSN-116 was the 1970 LC Yellow Dolly series Production car used to make the LC XU1 V8 prototype..Driven by Bond at Bathurst that year. refer autopics for the car with its plates attached.also see front cover of AMC Issue 9. At Easter Bathurst in 72 it evolved into a semi sports sedan with flared guards front and rear.I was sure Saggy Sarah was Brock series prod car from Bathurst in 1970 (40C).The Linamint car you refer to was a Opel boxed up front rally car selected by Harry off the first production run to put Bond straight into the Aust Rally Cjhampionships, it is featured on the Chevron CD for HDT as the promo car for HDT in rallies. I am shit caned sure the Macau car was LinaMint but I am always willing to be proven wrong with a colour photo.
Rory

I stand corrected..It appears Daz is right..I have more information..it would take too long to go through all it here. Suffice to say Saggy Sarah still lives and is as per Daz's information. Amazing!!
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#24 _oz772_

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Posted 11 July 2007 - 07:50 AM

The yellow car in Macau.
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#25 _rorym_

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Posted 11 July 2007 - 09:45 AM

Thanks for that..I am working off memory but exchanging emails with Larry last night was a buzz...too many memories came back.Larry and Daz have done shit loads of research on this and I am running with thier info 100%. Still in shock that KSN-116 was still in situ after all the 308 development..Amazing!! Thanks for the info Larry and Daz.. (Better call them the Lazza and Dazza Show from now I think! :spoton:

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