OK, enough hijacking other peoples threads. V8 vs. 6 cly LC/LJ's posts in here. Comments, criticisms, quotes, history, etc. get it all going.
LC/LJ V8 vs 6 cyl
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, Jul 13 2007 09:23 PM
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Posted 13 July 2007 - 09:27 PM
LC V8...moves engine back and down..lowers centre of gravity..stunning handling..more is better.....go kart created..Yum Yum!..Ask A1!
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Posted 13 July 2007 - 09:28 PM
The way i see it is that there are only two things wrong with the old holden 6, its in line and it's missing cylinders 7 and 8.
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Posted 13 July 2007 - 09:30 PM
to make 300hp from a 202 cost a shitload, then would have keep it together. Holden reds are 50yr old pieces of crap. orangeLJ, if they built factory v8 lj's, i couldn't see too many people pulling the 8 out to put a red in them, to go racing
You've said it well there mate. The LJ GTR XU-1 series 2 V8 was an upgrade from the Bathurst LJ GTR XU-1 which was the most developed the 6 cyl's could possibly be at that point in time with the parts and engineering available. What they brought out instead was the LH L34 which was no 6 cyl ans I haven't head of anyone trying to beat one with a 6 cyl as it was built purely for racing. V8's no good around corners, bah, maybe a GTHO yeah, big heavy Fraud shite.
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Posted 13 July 2007 - 09:31 PM
bahahahahaha!The way i see it is that there are only two things wrong with the old holden 6, its in line and it's missing cylinders 7 and 8.
Classic.
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Posted 13 July 2007 - 10:13 PM
Ok sorry drag lc wasnt tryn to hijack your thread i think a 12 second 202 is a good time well done 
orange lj i have noticed in quite a few threads you are quick to critisise v8 lc/lj V8s so my question was simply have you driven one to know how they go/handle as for mentioning rory was simply you saying you could quite easily keep up with a mild 308 around a track was nothing to do with experience as a driver which sounds like you have plenty of ?
orange lj i have noticed in quite a few threads you are quick to critisise v8 lc/lj V8s so my question was simply have you driven one to know how they go/handle as for mentioning rory was simply you saying you could quite easily keep up with a mild 308 around a track was nothing to do with experience as a driver which sounds like you have plenty of ?
Edited by LJ355, 13 July 2007 - 10:18 PM.
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Posted 14 July 2007 - 12:09 AM
You know he hasn't driven one or he'd have a completely different opinion.
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Posted 14 July 2007 - 12:21 AM
My torrie dont like corners, but thats because the suspension,rims and tyres are set up for drag racing.V8's no good around corners, bah, maybe a GTHO yeah, big heavy Fraud shite.
When it had the sprinties it fkn hammered around corners.
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Posted 14 July 2007 - 01:49 AM
I'm not an LC-J owner but I'm a big fan of the red 6....but only because of the underdog status....to beat anyone is a triumph over engineering....at the end of the day you cant beat cubes.
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Posted 14 July 2007 - 01:58 AM
big al my 6 is better than yours because...... what a dumb thread. 
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Posted 14 July 2007 - 08:24 AM
did the gtr-xu1 only beat the xy HO in the wet, just wanting to know?
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Posted 14 July 2007 - 11:07 AM
You're the only one who seems to think so. Funny about that isn't it.big al my 6 is better than yours because...... what a dumb thread.
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Posted 14 July 2007 - 12:24 PM
^^ At Bathurst yes, but only because of the famous 'get max laps' incident that robbed the LJ XU1 of a certain 'dry' victory over the XY. XU1's beat the XY on many other circuits.
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Posted 14 July 2007 - 01:00 PM
No one cares when a V8 beats a 6, people take notice when a 6 beats an 8. Go the underdog.
Edited by gtrtorana, 14 July 2007 - 01:00 PM.
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Posted 14 July 2007 - 01:13 PM
I don't see a problem with either, I have couple of each and will drive which ever takes my fancy, once I get more back together, choice is good
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Posted 14 July 2007 - 06:59 PM
from what i understand Rorys V8 lc had his ass flogged by Drummetts 6 cylinder LJ at speed on the tweed last year
(3x 6 pack XU1s beat the mighty V8)
we all know theres no subsitite for cubic inches
why do some people need to have a pissing comp?
http://www.speedontw...006results.html
Thanks for that GTRXU1..Bruce happens to be a seasoned rally /circuit race who is out every second weekend for the last 35 years..Ex Qld Rally Champion..NC Historic racer at all circuit minus the west coast...I am driving in my 6th race meeting...Sure, I can whip the arse of you and Bruce and 95%, maybe more, of the people here on a GP bike being an ex racer but I think the point was lost.
As Al said..the V8 LC/J..driven by the same driver on the same day in the same conditions will be always be faster than the 6....the move of the engine mass lower and further rearward creates a centre of gravity that shines in this configeration...it has to be driven on the throttle..the wheelspin can be massive...even with a 2.78 or 3.08 LSD diff. I am more than happy for you to run at Speed on Tweed in Sept against me in your 6 cylinder car.
Lets compare apples to apples and drop the pissing competition.
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P.S. It can also be argued that Bruce was beaten by an Escort RS2000 for outright sedan car on the day..Check your results..That just screwed your theory.
(3x 6 pack XU1s beat the mighty V8)
we all know theres no subsitite for cubic inches
why do some people need to have a pissing comp?
http://www.speedontw...006results.html
Thanks for that GTRXU1..Bruce happens to be a seasoned rally /circuit race who is out every second weekend for the last 35 years..Ex Qld Rally Champion..NC Historic racer at all circuit minus the west coast...I am driving in my 6th race meeting...Sure, I can whip the arse of you and Bruce and 95%, maybe more, of the people here on a GP bike being an ex racer but I think the point was lost.
As Al said..the V8 LC/J..driven by the same driver on the same day in the same conditions will be always be faster than the 6....the move of the engine mass lower and further rearward creates a centre of gravity that shines in this configeration...it has to be driven on the throttle..the wheelspin can be massive...even with a 2.78 or 3.08 LSD diff. I am more than happy for you to run at Speed on Tweed in Sept against me in your 6 cylinder car.
Lets compare apples to apples and drop the pissing competition.
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P.S. It can also be argued that Bruce was beaten by an Escort RS2000 for outright sedan car on the day..Check your results..That just screwed your theory.
Edited by rorym, 14 July 2007 - 07:02 PM.
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Posted 14 July 2007 - 07:27 PM
What about an Alloy headed 308/304 and a carbon fibre bonnet/fibreglass...
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Posted 14 July 2007 - 07:31 PM
You gonna get your arse up to Speed this year? Noela told me at Noosa hillclimb is Nov they had that many comments on the car in Sept I was an automatic acceptance for the event this year...nice to be wanted!
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Edited by rorym, 14 July 2007 - 07:32 PM.
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Posted 14 July 2007 - 08:43 PM
who cares if it's an 8 or 6 it is the fact that is a torana that counts ..
but a v6 is better
but a v6 is better
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Posted 14 July 2007 - 08:47 PM
un balanced pieces of crapv6 is better
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Posted 14 July 2007 - 11:58 PM
This is just getting embarrassing. A V6? Come on, maybe for a daily driver if you want good fuel economy or something.who cares if it's an 8 or 6 it is the fact that is a torana that counts ..
but a v6 is better
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Posted 15 July 2007 - 12:17 AM
Now a supercharged V6 might be something of a different matter...just to throw a curve ball in here..same characteristics of the V8..lower ..further back..with just that bit of extra mumbo..I am not drag racing in this theory..I am point to pointing on a stretch of road...it would be interesting to to say the least.
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Posted 15 July 2007 - 06:01 PM
What about an inline turbo 4 then (e.g SR20)...makes 200kw easily enough, even further back, all alloy, 5/6 speed g/box. You can't lose then..
With a V6 or inline 4 though you lose that beautiful sound of an 8 on full noise though...which is what it's all about isn't it guys? The sweet sweet sound of an 8...
With a V6 or inline 4 though you lose that beautiful sound of an 8 on full noise though...which is what it's all about isn't it guys? The sweet sweet sound of an 8...
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Posted 15 July 2007 - 06:12 PM
I've got a magazine with an SR20DET in an LJ XU-1. It can be done, is light and makes plenty of power but torque is low and you are going backward from a 6 to a 4. I'm not concerned with the sound, I'd rather my V8 make zero noise and a massively worked 6 cyl with triples, big cam and pipes can be just as loud as a V8 with only a slightly different note. Have a listen to the 4 cyl turbo drag cars, they have a sweet note to them too, even though they only have 4 cylinders in a line. A 13B or 20B turbo rotary would be awesome in an LC/LJ. I've owned rotaries before and they just rev, great fun to drive and coupled with the style of an LC/LJ would be great.
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Posted 15 July 2007 - 06:20 PM
What's low about 500nm? 18PSi, 500nm, 220kw would make an LJ/LC fly.
The pro's of doing an 8 would be the ease of putting it in compared to Rotary/Inline4/V6 etc.
Well most drag cars sound good regardless of what they have under the hood. But if I hear an 8 on the street I instinctively turn to look and listen.
The pro's of doing an 8 would be the ease of putting it in compared to Rotary/Inline4/V6 etc.
Well most drag cars sound good regardless of what they have under the hood. But if I hear an 8 on the street I instinctively turn to look and listen.
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