Hi Bazza,the right photo of the breather pipe is the same as mine and its a brisbane car,cheers,John.
GTR XU1 ID CHECK
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Posted 06 September 2007 - 11:28 AM
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Posted 06 September 2007 - 03:25 PM
do you know what fu..s me of if thay are going to immitate how cars thay should at least have the knowledge to do it right. and the only people that seem to do it are just going to sell the car to rip someone off, because if you where doin it for yourself, you would always know that it was not the real deal.
anyway all this car has been busted, next profile please.
cheers john
anyway all this car has been busted, next profile please.
cheers john
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Posted 06 September 2007 - 03:35 PM
No offence Bazza and I see you are always there to help others out but by posting that pic of the breather pipes you have unknowingly helped them to now know where to place the clips so it cant be detected...
Like I said "Please" don`t take this as a personal attack but just letting you know that certain people post questions about how to verify an XU-1 so they can find out all of the small details like the clip positions.
Like I said "Please" don`t take this as a personal attack but just letting you know that certain people post questions about how to verify an XU-1 so they can find out all of the small details like the clip positions.
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Posted 06 September 2007 - 04:54 PM
Hi smiley
No offence taken - but I take the contra view that the more info there is, the less likelihood that someone will get ripped. "Knowledge is power" I am very selective in what I post - the vent pipe issue is well known.
Flame suit on.
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No offence taken - but I take the contra view that the more info there is, the less likelihood that someone will get ripped. "Knowledge is power" I am very selective in what I post - the vent pipe issue is well known.
Flame suit on.
Bazza
Edited by Bazza, 06 September 2007 - 04:57 PM.
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Posted 06 September 2007 - 06:27 PM
bazza, thanks for your imput and to all others that have help me with this car, i have nothing to hid and have been very honest about this car i bought this car at the spur of the moment at pickles auction last week. anyway at worst its a LJ GTR & when i sell it i wil advertise car as a gtr with xu1 options.car looks great might just put rego on it & enjoy it. I'VE look at alot of cars & unforturnetly alot are fakes which dissapoints me alot that people can be so dishonest , anyway thats all cheers -- tonys2rHi smiley
No offence taken - but I take the contra view that the more info there is, the less likelihood that someone will get ripped. "Knowledge is power" I am very selective in what I post - the vent pipe issue is well known.
Flame suit on.
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Posted 06 September 2007 - 09:27 PM
that tag alteration is shocking! someone has turned a gtr tag that had value in its own right into a worthless bit of tin.
the topic of exposing xu1 distinguising features , ie breather clip placement and many other things, incl the release of the disc, is always going to be debated.
it used to be knowledge of a select few elder statesmen of the Torana fraternity learned over many years of hobbying with our cars, but with the advent of electronic media the secrets have escaped to the masses.
some see it as unfortunate, but i see it as the way to keep the torana legacy alive & moving forward for the newer generations of owners.
the topic of exposing xu1 distinguising features , ie breather clip placement and many other things, incl the release of the disc, is always going to be debated.
it used to be knowledge of a select few elder statesmen of the Torana fraternity learned over many years of hobbying with our cars, but with the advent of electronic media the secrets have escaped to the masses.
some see it as unfortunate, but i see it as the way to keep the torana legacy alive & moving forward for the newer generations of owners.
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Posted 06 September 2007 - 10:18 PM
tonys2r , if the auction business advertised it as an xu1 you might be able to get some compensation back ..
just a thought
just a thought
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Posted 07 September 2007 - 08:38 PM
Its good to see that the forums are helping id cars and cut down on false advertising ( no offence intended Tonys2r ) but i bet that there is still shonky deals going through with the buyer not knowing what they've got !! 
So pat yourselves on the back lads !! & lets hope that the new owner of the car doesn't sell it as something its not ! 
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So pat yourselves on the back lads !! & lets hope that the new owner of the car doesn't sell it as something its not ! D.
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Posted 07 September 2007 - 10:17 PM
Untouched XU-1 Tag
Untouched GTR Tag
Enlarged tag in question
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Posted 08 September 2007 - 07:07 AM
thats why i'm asking you guys, as i will not want to go down that road and be put in same catorgory as those scum bags. i paid 30,000 for car bad luck for me and for putting my tags online not many people would have done that.my good name is more important then money. Any way car looks great.i hope to see some of you guys at BATHURST ON SAT will driving my yellow lc .Its good to see that the forums are helping id cars and cut down on false advertising ( no offence intended Tonys2r ) but i bet that there is still shonky deals going through with the buyer not knowing what they've got !!
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Posted 15 September 2007 - 06:08 PM
Holden have verified car as GTR and will be sending authentcity papers to me.VIN tag states car should be xu1 as are correct match for this car, the problem was no engine number was recorded. so human error somewhere .Hi
The problem as I see it is, that if a buyer sought a verification letter from GMH (and most do) the GMH response would be "GTR" as per the BETSBAC result. Remember, only the H288865 part of the VIN is used for the "look-up".
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Could be a Cop car GTR with XU1 running gear, check for the hole in the dash just to the left of the glove box lid (this is where the cop ID plate was riveted) rgds Mark.T
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human error??? yeah someone altering the tagHolden have verified car as GTR and will be sending authentcity papers to me.VIN tag states car should be xu1 as are correct match for this car, the problem was no engine number was recorded. so human error somewhere .Hi
The problem as I see it is, that if a buyer sought a verification letter from GMH (and most do) the GMH response would be "GTR" as per the BETSBAC result. Remember, only the H288865 part of the VIN is used for the "look-up".
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how can i find out if my gtr is original or not? can anyone help ???
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Posted 10 January 2011 - 12:26 AM
how can i find out if my gtr is original or not? can anyone help ???
Hi Mate
The first step is to establish whether the tags indicate a GTR and that they are all 'in sync' with each other timewise. If the tag info checks out okay, then a visual inspection of the vehicle is needed to confirm that all the right bits and pieces are present.
PM me with the VIN, Chassis Number and the info shown the Body ID tag and I can start the ball rolling.
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how can i find out if my gtr is original or not? can anyone help ???
Hi Mate
The first step is to establish whether the tags indicate a GTR and that they are all 'in sync' with each other timewise. If the tag info checks out okay, then a visual inspection of the vehicle is needed to confirm that all the right bits and pieces are present.
PM me with the VIN, Chassis Number and the info shown the Body ID tag and I can start the ball rolling.
Cheers
Bazza
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Hi Bazza,
I know ID debate of H288865 has ceased years ago but I have just read the thread for the first time and noticed an obvious anomaly which didnt seem to be mentioned previously.
If you look at both tags you will notice that the PSN no 288865 is the same number as the Body No on the Body ID tag, namely 288865B.
This presents a few problems :-
1. PSN and body Nos were numerically 200,000 apart i.e. From the muscle car mag By the numbers article PSN 275293 has a body number 22895B (assuming both tags are from the same car)
2. Body no 288865B is way out of sequence to cars built around that time.
Just more information for your records should the car come to the surface again.
It does leave me wondering though........
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I know ID debate of H288865 has ceased years ago but I have just read the thread for the first time and noticed an obvious anomaly which didnt seem to be mentioned previously.
If you look at both tags you will notice that the PSN no 288865 is the same number as the Body No on the Body ID tag, namely 288865B.
This presents a few problems :-
1. PSN and body Nos were numerically 200,000 apart i.e. From the muscle car mag By the numbers article PSN 275293 has a body number 22895B (assuming both tags are from the same car)
2. Body no 288865B is way out of sequence to cars built around that time.
Just more information for your records should the car come to the surface again.
It does leave me wondering though........
Regards
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Posted 16 January 2011 - 06:44 PM
Hi XU1997
From mid May 1973 for some unknown reason Brisbane built cars derived the Body Number from the VIN. This curiousity is mentioned in the right hand column on page 118 of the AMC article that you mention. In this case, 288865-B is the correct Body Number for PSN H288865.
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From mid May 1973 for some unknown reason Brisbane built cars derived the Body Number from the VIN. This curiousity is mentioned in the right hand column on page 118 of the AMC article that you mention. In this case, 288865-B is the correct Body Number for PSN H288865.
Cheers
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this is a number off mates GTR and yes its an L after the 8D11 ( in my thread on his car,aldo siad it was rare in its own rite but not xu1), you will notice the P after the L is slightly longer distorting bottom ledge of tag. this tag is not mucked with,i cant post whole tag as mate requested i dont divolge whole number on forums
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Posted 17 January 2011 - 12:23 AM
this is a number off mates GTR and yes its an L after the 8D11 ( in my thread on his car,aldo siad it was rare in its own rite but not xu1), you will notice the P after the L is slightly longer distorting bottom ledge of tag. this tag is not mucked with,i cant post whole tag as mate requested i dont divolge whole number on forums
Hi Mate
That would be 8D11LD not 8D11LP . It will have "8D11L" for a stock 202 JL engine or "8D11P" for the 202 XU-1 JP engine.- it obviously won't have both an L and a P. The "D" means that the car was completed after 1 Sept 1973.
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heres the tag pic i took about 5 years ago after mate got it out of 13 years of storage
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Posted 17 January 2011 - 01:31 PM
Look at the loop of the P - it is the same size as the D preceeding it. It is a D not a P.
The tail is just accidental - factory or otherwise, but accidental all the same.
Sorry bout that.
The tail is just accidental - factory or otherwise, but accidental all the same.
Sorry bout that.
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how can i find out if my gtr is original or not? can anyone help ???
Hi Mate
The first step is to establish whether the tags indicate a GTR and that they are all 'in sync' with each other timewise. If the tag info checks out okay, then a visual inspection of the vehicle is needed to confirm that all the right bits and pieces are present.
PM me with the VIN, Chassis Number and the info shown the Body ID tag and I can start the ball rolling.
Cheers
Bazza
thanks for your reply bazza i think i spoke to you a while back just before i bought this car.. i remember you told me you thought it had been internally used by holden and were pretty sure that it was original.. but since then i have had two people now tell me they think it isnt.. i have vin-lc05067b body number-03312b model-lc82911m and then vehicle master listing sheet which has the number on it that also matches the badge on the car of 82911ch150146 if you could work some magic with those details and get back to me that would be insane and i wouldnt know how i could possibly thankyou for your help with this.. cheers mate josh
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Posted 18 January 2011 - 11:06 AM
how can i find out if my gtr is original or not? can anyone help ???
Hi Mate
The first step is to establish whether the tags indicate a GTR and that they are all 'in sync' with each other timewise. If the tag info checks out okay, then a visual inspection of the vehicle is needed to confirm that all the right bits and pieces are present.
PM me with the VIN, Chassis Number and the info shown the Body ID tag and I can start the ball rolling.
Cheers
Bazza
thanks for your reply bazza i think i spoke to you a while back just before i bought this car.. i remember you told me you thought it had been internally used by holden and were pretty sure that it was original.. but since then i have had two people now tell me they think it isnt.. i have vin-lc05067b body number-03312b model-lc82911m and then vehicle master listing sheet which has the number on it that also matches the badge on the car of 82911ch150146 if you could work some magic with those details and get back to me that would be insane and i wouldnt know how i could possibly thankyou for your help with this.. cheers mate josh
Hi Josh
PM sent
Cheers
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