LX pollution gear - ADR27 & A Explained
#1 _kangur_
Posted 01 February 2006 - 11:52 AM
#2 _steve_
Posted 01 February 2006 - 11:54 AM
#3 _355lxss_
Posted 01 February 2006 - 12:36 PM
My ss hatch has a build date of 12/75 so i presume it is pre 76 ADR pollution rules?
Im pretty sure all vehicles built 1 july 76 must comply with ADR pollution rules eg. car must be fitted with a carbon canister which is connected to the fuel tank and induction system. correct me if im wrong?
#4 _steve_
Posted 01 February 2006 - 12:58 PM
#5 _kangur_
Posted 01 February 2006 - 01:25 PM
#6
Posted 01 February 2006 - 02:00 PM
#7 _355lxss_
Posted 01 February 2006 - 04:16 PM
does that mean i dont have to the carbon canister on my hatch being 12/75?All Vehicles built after 1976 are under ADR27A.
#8 _EXLXSL_
Posted 01 February 2006 - 05:30 PM
#9
Posted 01 February 2006 - 05:43 PM
76 on got more pollution gear.
#10 _CHOPPER_
Posted 01 February 2006 - 08:00 PM
#11 _kangur_
Posted 01 February 2006 - 09:21 PM
#12
Posted 01 February 2006 - 09:44 PM
If you put a late model commodore engine in your LX it would have to comply with the vehicle the engine came out of.
If you put a HT motor in a Commodore it has to comply with Commodore standards.
If you put VN heads on a LX block it would have to comply with LX standards (ADR27A)
Its a bummer and you may just get away with it but you may just not.
#13 _JNR_ATE_
Posted 01 February 2006 - 11:48 PM
cheers
JNR_ATE
#14 _355lxss_
#15 _Torana482HP_
Posted 02 February 2006 - 03:27 PM
luckier me..... 4/74 - one of the first slrs made.Lucky for me. 5th month 74.]
cheers
JNR_ATE
they started releasing carbon canisters on cars in 75 BUT....
anything before 6/76 may be FULLY PRE POLLUTION, thats the requirements in the books even though cars before that time started having pollution gear.
R Ant.
#16
Posted 05 February 2006 - 10:45 AM
This question has many answers & so far Chopper is the closest.
The 2 levels of anti-pollution gear mentioned on the Compliance plates of Toranas are ADR27 & ADR27A.
ADR27 was 'phased in' during Sept 1973, yes, no mis-type, 1973 during the HQ & LJ series. ADR27 was a resistriction on outputs of HC etc but mainly at idle. In NSW all the rego guys want is a print-out of the exhaust at idle for certification, usually only if a non-standard carby is fitted, otherwise they don't bother. This may not be the case in other states. ADR27 cars left the factory with plugs or caps to stop people fiddling the idle mixture & on the V8s they added the hot air pick-up from the exhaust manifold.
ADR27A, introduced on the 1st July 1976 was the 1st time they introduced engine devices that affected drivability & engine output, with items like EGR valves & retarded cams & ignition systems. The 6 Cyl ADR27A motors got the hot air intake similar to the LH V8s. Early LXs don't have ADR27A.
The carbon canister is a device that captures fuel tank vapours & returns them to the engine to be added to the combustion mix. They were introduced on Holdens on the 1st Jan 1975 but do not feature on the Compliance plate as an ADR. Some rego guys know that 1975 cars require a canister, but many don't. If it was my car, I'd fit one to get rid of the petrol fumes from the fuel tank. Carbon canisters don't affect Horsepower or drivability. 1974 LH Toranas just vent the vapours to atmosphere.
Dr Terry.
#17 _devilsadvocate_
Posted 05 February 2006 - 01:19 PM
#18 _Torana482HP_
Posted 05 February 2006 - 08:05 PM
Its not full pre pollution but there is nothing that needs to be applied for a roadworthy.
eg. carbon canister, egr valves and all the other crap that clogges up your engine bay and restricts performance.
Dr Terry, what does the "HC" mean in your write up?
Great write up too Dr. T.
#19 _devilsadvocate_
Posted 05 February 2006 - 08:14 PM
Edited by devilsadvocate, 05 February 2006 - 08:23 PM.
#20
Posted 05 February 2006 - 08:22 PM
Torana482HP...You have just outed yourself as someone that doesn't know how your emission controls work (lots of people don't know..you aren't alone)....no bolt on emission control restricts your performance (EGR, PCV, Carbon canister,heated air inlet)
If everyone at least spent the time to learn how these things work then you would open the market to a whole heap more toranas instead of limiting yourself to pre july 1976 models.
I did a write up in the old forum on how things work...can it be found?
Edited by FastEHHolden, 05 February 2006 - 08:25 PM.
#21 _devilsadvocate_
Posted 05 February 2006 - 08:42 PM
Sorry, some misinformation. NOx refers to Nitrogen Oxides(all oxides of Nitrogen), whereas nitrous oxide is strictly NO2.(as well as NOx, nitrous oxides)
#22 _Yella SLuR_
Posted 05 February 2006 - 08:55 PM
Even if your car is pre-1975, engineers may require a carbon cannister for your drop tank. Mine wanted two --> source of much discussion at car shows by armchair experts. If he want's em, I'm happy to have em, better than car smelling like fuel.
I still think it was a personal challenge for him to work out how you plumb in two, after a few glasses of red wine. If my scanner worked, I'd send you the plumbing diagram that goes with the engineering certificate, it's a work of art. Think the HZ pollution manifold also had something to do with it.
Edited by Yella SLuR, 05 February 2006 - 08:58 PM.
#23
Posted 05 February 2006 - 08:57 PM
Nitrogen oxides (or are they oxides of nitrogen, don't quite remember) are formed when the combustion chamber temperatures become too hot. On the ADR27a engines (post 01 July 76) the extra pollution gear and lean settings had the engine running a lot hotter which produced the nitrogen oxides. There were sensors on the engine which detected the higher temperature - it advanced the ignition timing when the temps got high to increase the coolant flow which in turn cooled the engine. In effect some of the pollution gear reduced the polution and other parts of it countered the effects of pollution gear itself. That is why these engines had shiploads of rubber tubing and sensors on them.Sorry, some misinformation. NOx refers to Nitrogen Oxides(all oxides of Nitrogen), whereas nitrous oxide is strictly NO2.(as well as NOx, nitrous oxides)
#24 _CHOPPER_
Posted 05 February 2006 - 09:00 PM
#25 _Torana482HP_
Posted 05 February 2006 - 09:13 PM
Torana482HP...You have just outed yourself as someone that doesn't know how your emission controls work (lots of people don't know..you aren't alone)....no bolt on emission control restricts your performance (EGR, PCV, Carbon canister,heated air inlet)
The EGR lowers the running temp by allowing exhaust gases to be mixed with the inlet charge. Since it can't burn ( it's already been burnt ) the engine can't run as hot.
Wouldnt mixing exhaust gasses with the inlet charge reduce performance? Replacing fuel + oxygen with Exhaust fumes?
my car is 74' so ive never had to worry about this, althogh i had a vh ss so i done a bit of research about the pollution crap (very minor research as to which tube goes where lol)
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