I would have thought that a car log booked as an I.P. or Historic etc could run in a sports sedan race without having to get another log book issued ???
My opinion on this is that to get people to take an interest you need to put on a good show. Are the guys with big budgets willing to take the foot off the pedal to allow us guys without much of a budget to stay with them?
Probably not.
Group C/A Replica Racing - There must be a way!
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Posted 12 November 2007 - 09:44 PM
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Posted 12 November 2007 - 09:45 PM
So i cant cage the Lh up paint it racing colours and let it rip with the 253?
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Posted 12 November 2007 - 09:45 PM
Normal safety requirements
Minimum 4 point cage,
4 point harness
fire ex...etc etc..
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Minimum 4 point cage,
4 point harness
fire ex...etc etc..
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Posted 12 November 2007 - 09:46 PM
This is to start more at a club level..Wakefield, Morgan Park etc..I would have thought that a car log booked as an I.P. or Historic etc could run in a sports sedan race without having to get another log book issued ???
My opinion on this is that to get people to take an interest you need to put on a good show. Are the guys with big budgets willing to take the foot off the pedal to allow us guys without much of a budget to stay with them?
Probably not.
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Posted 12 November 2007 - 09:46 PM
Poor old Targa Torana is log booked 3C.
Whatever that is, But CAMS WA said Improved Production anyway.
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Whatever that is, But CAMS WA said Improved Production anyway.
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Posted 12 November 2007 - 09:48 PM
YesSo i cant cage the Lh up paint it racing colours and let it rip with the 253?
Rules are MAXIMUM levels..you want to try it with a 202 or 253 or 302 Ford...go for it!
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Posted 12 November 2007 - 09:59 PM
Id be in with the 253 it would be cheap u wouldnt break many diffs or gearboxes
Cheap way to race for us not so well funded guys Good fun 2
Cheap way to race for us not so well funded guys Good fun 2
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Posted 12 November 2007 - 10:01 PM
My opinion on this is that to get people to take an interest you need to put on a good show. Are the guys with big budgets willing to take the foot off the pedal to allow us guys without much of a budget to stay with them?
Probably not.
I'm pretty sure the front running guys will just do their thing, and we'll be running our own race within. You can be sure that there will be plenty of interest in our cars anyway as the average punter will be able to identify with ours more easily than the frontline sports sedans anyway...
Going on what Rory has come up with, it would be easier to adapt the 3J rules, with maybe some restrictions on what engines and a free up of the wheel and tyre combo? - how does that sound? That may entice more of the IPRA guy as well as it would be easy for them to convert their cars..
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Posted 12 November 2007 - 10:05 PM
How free?..Cant get any bigger rims under the guards..or do you mean allow slicks?..If the latter..I am OK with that.
Where I am heading is to get Toddles/Herne/Yella out to have a run with all the boys...like the Historics..we aint going to banging guards...though the odd slip up will happen..but there are no sheeps stations involved...well...not until Greg turns up anyway...good clean fun...I think its a goer...then that leads to these guys doing hillclimbs...sprints etc etc..more fun...mates days...and you will be surprised...the ladies get ALL enthusiatsic about it as well..like..Honey..we NEED those Dunlop slicks for this weekend!!!..Trust me..it happens!!
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Where I am heading is to get Toddles/Herne/Yella out to have a run with all the boys...like the Historics..we aint going to banging guards...though the odd slip up will happen..but there are no sheeps stations involved...well...not until Greg turns up anyway...good clean fun...I think its a goer...then that leads to these guys doing hillclimbs...sprints etc etc..more fun...mates days...and you will be surprised...the ladies get ALL enthusiatsic about it as well..like..Honey..we NEED those Dunlop slicks for this weekend!!!..Trust me..it happens!!
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Posted 12 November 2007 - 10:07 PM
How free?..Cant get any bigger rims under the guards..or do you mean allow slicks?..If the latter..I am OK with that.
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I definately mean allow slicks, its most of the reason why I want to go away from IPRA in the first place!!
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Posted 12 November 2007 - 10:11 PM
I am in...you have won me....NOS is in too!...then there is..Usedtohave one...he is a goer...Shit! Could be the biggest class out there in no time! 
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Posted 12 November 2007 - 10:13 PM
Sam,
Where do I get a copy of the IPRA 3J regs?
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Where do I get a copy of the IPRA 3J regs?
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Posted 12 November 2007 - 10:14 PM
And the 308 would be in by the 3rd meeting!!! Hahaha!Id be in with the 253 it would be cheap u wouldnt break many diffs or gearboxes
Cheap way to race for us not so well funded guys Good fun 2
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Posted 12 November 2007 - 10:32 PM
I forgot one thing...standard brakes for the model car you run...that takes away the big horsepower boys if they want to get too out of control....
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Posted 12 November 2007 - 10:40 PM
I dont know shit about racing etc but i recon u should be able to use big brakes for saftey to control the guys with $$ going for big horsepower put a power to weight ratio? so it cant get out of control maybe
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Posted 12 November 2007 - 10:51 PM
Toddles...opposite...You can have all the horsepower in the world...thats $...but if everyone has the same brakes....it brings it back to even..try stopping from 200kph....then 160kph on the same brakes...the 200kph guy has real problems...like they melt.... 
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Posted 12 November 2007 - 11:10 PM
I'm pretty sure the wheel size limits will keep a lid on how big people can go on brakes, maybe set a max disc dia and limit to 4 pot max on the calipers, that should keep it fair for all.
Out of curiosity, Rory, how much did your slicks end up costing you?
Out of curiosity, Rory, how much did your slicks end up costing you?
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Posted 12 November 2007 - 11:56 PM
someone say 'sheep stations"??? 
Yeah that all looks fine to me so far, Rory you regs have a lot more Group C in them than group A so i will need to tweak them slightly to suit myself!!!
Wheel diametre....run what late model IPRA regs dictate.. If it fits under an unflaired gaurd it is ok.
Rose joints... Group A allowed these, infact handling was an integral part of making the group a formula work.
Sam don't get me started on the AO48R's....
I would be more than happy to run on slicks as well!
I just don't think that IPRA would allow us to run with them if we are on slicks and they are on R specs. Especially seeing as Yoko is the category sponsor.
Look at it this way, if i put the walky on slicks and ran it with the rest of 3J where do you think the lap record is going
i'm still leaning towards 3D as the best place to start the show, although I do agree that the cars themselves have a lot more in common with 3J. i just don't think that the 3J competitors would be happy with us tearing up the fields.
I will have a chat with a few 3D guys up here and bounce the idea, seee what they say.
Cheers Greg..
Yeah that all looks fine to me so far, Rory you regs have a lot more Group C in them than group A so i will need to tweak them slightly to suit myself!!!
Wheel diametre....run what late model IPRA regs dictate.. If it fits under an unflaired gaurd it is ok.
Rose joints... Group A allowed these, infact handling was an integral part of making the group a formula work.
Sam don't get me started on the AO48R's....
I would be more than happy to run on slicks as well!
I just don't think that IPRA would allow us to run with them if we are on slicks and they are on R specs. Especially seeing as Yoko is the category sponsor.
Look at it this way, if i put the walky on slicks and ran it with the rest of 3J where do you think the lap record is going
i'm still leaning towards 3D as the best place to start the show, although I do agree that the cars themselves have a lot more in common with 3J. i just don't think that the 3J competitors would be happy with us tearing up the fields.
I will have a chat with a few 3D guys up here and bounce the idea, seee what they say.
Cheers Greg..
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Posted 13 November 2007 - 06:00 AM
I reckon the AASA might be a whole lot easier to deal with than cams.
Cheaper entry fees and more races per weekend, plus in Super TT you basically run any rules you like, they also are quite happy to run different classes together to make up the numbers,
Also they are keen for more numbers, also (at Calder at least) the commentator loves muscle cars. He gives all the old muscle cars heaps of talk.
Cheaper entry fees and more races per weekend, plus in Super TT you basically run any rules you like, they also are quite happy to run different classes together to make up the numbers,
Also they are keen for more numbers, also (at Calder at least) the commentator loves muscle cars. He gives all the old muscle cars heaps of talk.
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$350 each .I'm pretty sure the wheel size limits will keep a lid on how big people can go on brakes, maybe set a max disc dia and limit to 4 pot max on the calipers, that should keep it fair for all.
Out of curiosity, Rory, how much did your slicks end up costing you?
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MickLX, "He who has the most cash wins" unfortunately is like one of Newton's irrefutable laws of physics, no matter what you race. The good news is, I don't think they get any more enjoyment out of it than those of us with less bucks.
Rory, few pages old now, do you boys ever sleep?, but anyways I question the value in having control tyres. Do competitors really get any savings, or do the tyre companies just rub their hands because you've handed them a monopoly? Re slicks/intermediates, again, I believe that IPRA specify intermediates so competitors don't need multiple sets of tyres, i.e. keeps the cost down, without advantaging those with the cash to afford slicks & intermediates. Short of that you could mandate slicks and cancel racing at the slighest sight of rain, which I don't think would be good for the fans/putting on a show.
Other than that, list looked goodly.
Rory, few pages old now, do you boys ever sleep?, but anyways I question the value in having control tyres. Do competitors really get any savings, or do the tyre companies just rub their hands because you've handed them a monopoly? Re slicks/intermediates, again, I believe that IPRA specify intermediates so competitors don't need multiple sets of tyres, i.e. keeps the cost down, without advantaging those with the cash to afford slicks & intermediates. Short of that you could mandate slicks and cancel racing at the slighest sight of rain, which I don't think would be good for the fans/putting on a show.
Other than that, list looked goodly.
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Posted 13 November 2007 - 08:31 AM
If we are going to replicate Group A/C cars for our own class, then why dont we do it properly and follow the same rules. The only thing that I see that we dont need to follow is diff /trans , as what Rory says 4 forward gears. T10 s are hard to get and 9inch diffs are cheap and easier to change ratios. Original type castings for blocks and heads to keep it a level field. 10 inch rims max, except maybe up the rim size to 16inch max, better range of slicks in that size.All of this Im talking Toranas of course, but similar approach for others. Standard stroke, open cams and carbs, holden type elect ignition, no msd type units.
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I agree with Rocket on the rim size upgrade for toranas, Rory I dont want to get rid of my 255/50/16's toyo's 
in 15's the choice isnt that great , As much as the 355 engine for my car sounds good, I agree it might make it unfair for people with less horsepower/cubes-Rory's engine is almost built though....free gearboxes and diffs sounds good-for reliability and cost too, big price difference between a full floater 10bolt diff compared to a 9inch or borg warner diff.
in 15's the choice isnt that great , As much as the 355 engine for my car sounds good, I agree it might make it unfair for people with less horsepower/cubes-Rory's engine is almost built though....free gearboxes and diffs sounds good-for reliability and cost too, big price difference between a full floater 10bolt diff compared to a 9inch or borg warner diff.
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