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Group C/A Replica Racing - There must be a way!
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Posted 20 December 2007 - 11:04 PM
So are we happy to run with the group a rules as they were or do they need changing?
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Keep it simple and leave the rules alone i rekon....
After all one day we will be the premier historic category anyway.... That is after all the original cars have been retired to automotive nursing homes (museums).
After all one day we will be the premier historic category anyway.... That is after all the original cars have been retired to automotive nursing homes (museums).
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Posted 21 December 2007 - 07:14 AM
Although we will get some I think Group As will be minimal so am happy to leave their rules as is..So are we happy to run with the group a rules as they were or do they need changing?
By the way I copped a mouth full from some guy on the Ford Forums.
http://www.fordforum....php?t=11201871
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Posted 21 December 2007 - 07:20 AM
I couldn't access without logging in (which I have no interest in doing) but remember you are dealing with a lower life form.By the way I copped a mouth full from some guy on the Ford Forums.
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Posted 21 December 2007 - 07:30 AM
hurt his feelings did you Rory??? lol. I don't see why people would get upset about this idea - some people are just too precious 
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Yeah Low...must have........Got fired up didnt he?
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Posted 21 December 2007 - 07:58 AM
By the way I copped a mouth full from some guy on the Ford Forums.
Cut and past Rory
I wanna see what this peanut has to say...
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Posted 21 December 2007 - 09:43 AM
HERE WE GO!!
I think the idea of replica Group C is fine for what you are currently doing, but if you want to go racing historics I reckon you should go to hell. These cars are not historic and should not be treated as such. The vast majority of historic cars have to work bloody hard to prove their provedence in order to get a Certificate of Description and you guys feel hard done because you can't race your old family sedan. Excuse me if I don't shed a tear.
The only reason for the Appendix J categories was because there were bloody few original cars left, yet now we are seeing full Grids of Group C cars. At Phillip Island this year they split the car up into two grids, one being the lower capacity cars and the other being the higher capacity cars. Next year the Group P,Q, R cars are not even getting a run as the program is full. These cars are the real big bangers and they have history. They include F5000's, Formula 1's, Formula Atlantics, Formula 2's etc. You can run your Group C replicas in all sorts of events, but if you own a Group PQR there is bloody all events available to run. For instance:
Heathcote Sprint - No group R, no Fomula Ford
Morwell - Q & R must run as Libre (has a FF class or any FF)
Rob Roy - Sports and racing are mixed in one class
Tarrengowa - No Q, R or FF
Given the addition of Sports Sedans and Group T into historics, programs are only going to get tighter, so please tell me why genuine race cars with a real history of racing should make way for a bunch of family sedans with no history at all?
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Not actually CAMS...well could be...but the Group C guys are Oh! so protective of running their elite..genuine status ...
I bet if you owned a real Group C you would be protective too. Why would you want your car devalued by having a host of replicas made? Would you really want to race your genuine Group C against a host of Group C wannabees? They won't even race against the Appendix J cars after some of the incidents which have occured in the past.
If you really want to go racing a Group C, go and buy one. The Appendix J cars are not that much cheaper to buy/build than a Group C anyway. V8 Nc cars are going for $80 to $130k and Toranas are going for $40k. You could buy a genuine Group C Escort for the same amount as a Torana.
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This is the link for the regs we have done so far..
http://d4.myfreefile...Regulations.pdf
Looks more Biante than CAMS to me. Bigger wheels, bigger discs, different gear boxes etc.
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I think the idea of replica Group C is fine for what you are currently doing, but if you want to go racing historics I reckon you should go to hell. These cars are not historic and should not be treated as such. The vast majority of historic cars have to work bloody hard to prove their provedence in order to get a Certificate of Description and you guys feel hard done because you can't race your old family sedan. Excuse me if I don't shed a tear.
The only reason for the Appendix J categories was because there were bloody few original cars left, yet now we are seeing full Grids of Group C cars. At Phillip Island this year they split the car up into two grids, one being the lower capacity cars and the other being the higher capacity cars. Next year the Group P,Q, R cars are not even getting a run as the program is full. These cars are the real big bangers and they have history. They include F5000's, Formula 1's, Formula Atlantics, Formula 2's etc. You can run your Group C replicas in all sorts of events, but if you own a Group PQR there is bloody all events available to run. For instance:
Heathcote Sprint - No group R, no Fomula Ford
Morwell - Q & R must run as Libre (has a FF class or any FF)
Rob Roy - Sports and racing are mixed in one class
Tarrengowa - No Q, R or FF
Given the addition of Sports Sedans and Group T into historics, programs are only going to get tighter, so please tell me why genuine race cars with a real history of racing should make way for a bunch of family sedans with no history at all?
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Originally Posted by 2speed
Not actually CAMS...well could be...but the Group C guys are Oh! so protective of running their elite..genuine status ...
I bet if you owned a real Group C you would be protective too. Why would you want your car devalued by having a host of replicas made? Would you really want to race your genuine Group C against a host of Group C wannabees? They won't even race against the Appendix J cars after some of the incidents which have occured in the past.
If you really want to go racing a Group C, go and buy one. The Appendix J cars are not that much cheaper to buy/build than a Group C anyway. V8 Nc cars are going for $80 to $130k and Toranas are going for $40k. You could buy a genuine Group C Escort for the same amount as a Torana.
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Originally Posted by 2speed
This is the link for the regs we have done so far..
http://d4.myfreefile...Regulations.pdf
Looks more Biante than CAMS to me. Bigger wheels, bigger discs, different gear boxes etc.
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Posted 21 December 2007 - 10:18 AM
Total tosser, does he think we want to race against group c cars !
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Posted 21 December 2007 - 10:25 AM
Sorta got the impression he has a Formula 3 Open wheeler.Group Q and has been flicked out of some Historic meetings by the tintops..but the crowd goes for the popular races...so his problem.
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Posted 21 December 2007 - 12:08 PM
i dont see how you guys will de-value Group C/A cars, that bloke is clearly speaking out of his ass.
I think you guys will enhance their image - The NZ Muscle car series have proven this at this years Muscle Car Masters that the crowd loves close racing between cars of a bygone era. I say get out there and prove them all wrong.
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I think you guys will enhance their image - The NZ Muscle car series have proven this at this years Muscle Car Masters that the crowd loves close racing between cars of a bygone era. I say get out there and prove them all wrong.
Cheers
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Posted 21 December 2007 - 04:19 PM
Lets not get personal here guys, he was only giving his opinion and we're all entitled to that.
If I had bothered to save up and buy an ex Group C car so I could go racing in that class, I would also feel a bit miffed if someone started talking about a replica class,
But I didn't so roll on the Replica Racing !!!!!
Which was the best looking VH Commodore ?
I watched a dvd last night called Commodore-The early years and the 1983 VH HDT car didn't really turn me on. I think I liked the '82 VC better. I guess I can always turn it back into a VC......
If I had bothered to save up and buy an ex Group C car so I could go racing in that class, I would also feel a bit miffed if someone started talking about a replica class,
But I didn't so roll on the Replica Racing !!!!!
Which was the best looking VH Commodore ?
I watched a dvd last night called Commodore-The early years and the 1983 VH HDT car didn't really turn me on. I think I liked the '82 VC better. I guess I can always turn it back into a VC......
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Posted 21 December 2007 - 04:31 PM
haha, well I guess the guy is entitled to his own opinion, but it would seem that he has missed the point....
No one has said anything about running with the current group c/a guys, and they are not interested in that anyway (which is fair enough) so I dont understand why there is so much concern - they keep doing what they are doing and we dont have anything to do with them....
The whole idea is to allow guys to run cars that are "in the spirit" of group c, with some allowences to make them easier to maintain IN A SUBCLASS WITHIN SPORTS SEDANS. We are not claiming that they will be historic, only that they are a replica of a historic car. I dont want to race a lower spec original car eg Gemini or similar, I want to race a V8 Torana, and I'd like to do it to a set of rules that allow me to runs slicks, BUT I dont want to race a full house sports sedan... so thats where our proposed class fits in.
I invite anyone who has had a desire to compete in cars of this type, but have been unable to locate a car (or cant afford) to run an original to support this idea, it would be great to see replica's of all the different makes running! The spectators will love it, and we want to encourage a fun, help each other attitude - like it used to be back in the old days
Rory, feel free to paste this back in your thread on the Ford forum
No one has said anything about running with the current group c/a guys, and they are not interested in that anyway (which is fair enough) so I dont understand why there is so much concern - they keep doing what they are doing and we dont have anything to do with them....
The whole idea is to allow guys to run cars that are "in the spirit" of group c, with some allowences to make them easier to maintain IN A SUBCLASS WITHIN SPORTS SEDANS. We are not claiming that they will be historic, only that they are a replica of a historic car. I dont want to race a lower spec original car eg Gemini or similar, I want to race a V8 Torana, and I'd like to do it to a set of rules that allow me to runs slicks, BUT I dont want to race a full house sports sedan... so thats where our proposed class fits in.
I invite anyone who has had a desire to compete in cars of this type, but have been unable to locate a car (or cant afford) to run an original to support this idea, it would be great to see replica's of all the different makes running! The spectators will love it, and we want to encourage a fun, help each other attitude - like it used to be back in the old days
Rory, feel free to paste this back in your thread on the Ford forum
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Posted 21 December 2007 - 04:48 PM
Done.
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Interesting thing is...the above Ford man doesnt own a Group C...He has a F3 Cheetah....but I guess everyone has an opinion.
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Interesting thing is...the above Ford man doesnt own a Group C...He has a F3 Cheetah....but I guess everyone has an opinion.
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Ford Forum Response to Sams comment....I personally dont know what he missed but here you go.
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That's cool. It didn't real come across that way in your original post. Remember that Sport Sedans have now been approved for historics, which can also add some confusion to the subject.
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That's cool. It didn't real come across that way in your original post. Remember that Sport Sedans have now been approved for historics, which can also add some confusion to the subject.
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Posted 24 December 2007 - 07:05 PM
Who really cares what these people think, lets just get it going, and show them that people love the old days of group c/a, and have some fun, like we want. I think we can take a lesson off the Kiwi s, there attitude to there class, is good for the sport. As I have said before, I just want to have a blast in my car, without wrecking it. Winning isnt everthing, losing isnt anything !
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Posted 24 December 2007 - 07:17 PM
Like the Masters thing at Morgan Park...draglc went and said it was a ball....think its died unfortunately.
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Posted 24 December 2007 - 07:35 PM
Simple, lets revive it, Im sure Bill Campbell would support something where people are going to his circuit, drawing some crowds,having some fun. Morgan park
has to be one of the best tracks we have up here in Qld , its just been resurfaced, looks like a million bucks, plenty of sheltered area. The Warwick car club do a great job out there, these are the places that we should support, the places that have an interest in historic racing, and not just in making a pile of cash.
has to be one of the best tracks we have up here in Qld , its just been resurfaced, looks like a million bucks, plenty of sheltered area. The Warwick car club do a great job out there, these are the places that we should support, the places that have an interest in historic racing, and not just in making a pile of cash.
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Posted 24 December 2007 - 08:08 PM
Agree...maybe HRCC will give us a class?
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Got an invitation to a meeting in Tasmania this week to the POWER FROM THE PAST
2008, at Symmons plains. The guy was from the Group C Assoc. He said he has the Everlast commodore. (Allan Polglase), and was only interested in showing the car, not racing it, just to keep the heritage alive with these cars, for people to see
and appreciate the era, of course I cant afford to go, but it would have been good.
There is definately a interest in what we are doing, and its worth the effort. I know that I will be given my best effort to promote this class in QLD or where ever. BRING IT ON !
2008, at Symmons plains. The guy was from the Group C Assoc. He said he has the Everlast commodore. (Allan Polglase), and was only interested in showing the car, not racing it, just to keep the heritage alive with these cars, for people to see
and appreciate the era, of course I cant afford to go, but it would have been good.
There is definately a interest in what we are doing, and its worth the effort. I know that I will be given my best effort to promote this class in QLD or where ever. BRING IT ON !
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Posted 24 December 2007 - 08:53 PM
Mate after I was offered a open invite to Historic Noosa and Speed on Tweed..(as you know..thats the big one)..in the yellow car...I knew we were onto something..I send the pics of the new car to Speed...my place is already reserved...you are absolutely correct. They want crowd pullers...we are at the top of the list...now if I can get an F5000 as well...?//!!...I will be in heaven...
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Posted 26 December 2007 - 06:52 PM
now for a couple of silly questions, do the cars have to wear an era paint job or can they be painted standard or with period style paint jobs?
and if I wanted to race a LH would it have to be flared or could I go SLR 5000 style and have no flares?
and if I wanted to race a LH would it have to be flared or could I go SLR 5000 style and have no flares?
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