Turbo Torana
#1 _mumstaxi_
Posted 18 December 2007 - 08:27 PM
Just wanted to say Hello first as i am a newb.
Anyway this is my old girl (as it used to be with ,186 Engine T04 Turbo), bit of a sleeper i don't think too many people ever picked it had boost.
https://cache.gmh-to....d/UCSleepa.jpg
https://cache.gmh-to....CSleepa2-1.jpg
https://cache.gmh-to....CSleepaeng.jpg
I Now have a RB30 (VL Turbo) engine to put in the old girl and im looking to gather as much info on this conversion as i can get.
I have found a bit of usefull info searching around on this site and others, but if anyone has any info or links etc that they would care to share it would help a lot.
Thanks
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#2
Posted 18 December 2007 - 08:34 PM
#3 _Bomber Watson_
Posted 18 December 2007 - 09:04 PM
Was it a factory turbo UC??
#4 _wayneo_
Posted 18 December 2007 - 09:04 PM
#5 _mumstaxi_
Posted 19 December 2007 - 08:48 PM
Ooops ! sorry, these links should work...
https://cache.gmh-to...d/UCSleepa2.jpg
https://cache.gmh-to...UCSleepa2-1.jpg
https://cache.gmh-to...UCSleepaeng.jpg
Thanks for the replies.
[QUOTE] "Was it a factory turbo UC??"
No it was just a SL with a 173 engine not a Dealer SL/T
#6
Posted 19 December 2007 - 10:40 PM
#7 _mumstaxi_
Posted 19 December 2007 - 11:19 PM
#8
Posted 19 December 2007 - 11:45 PM
Never seen her in the flesh or anything though, I'm from Vic and don't get interstate much hahaha
#9 _cal-a-kid_
Posted 20 December 2007 - 07:25 AM
I used the castlemain rodshop conversion sump and engine mounts. I had a go at making my own sump but it didn't turn out as I would have liked to I stuck with the castlemain sump as it was neatly made. I also know that JAP-XU1 off these forums make up the conversion sumps so let him know if youre in the market, had he been around when I started I would have bought one off him for sure.
I use a low mounted T04 with a 3 inch dump and exhaust which is rather tight but does fit. If you went a high mounted turbo I think you would be able to fit a slightly bigger dump pipe.
I use a JD Custom plenum which I bought off www.calaisturbo.com.au These plenums are alright and people have done ok times on them. It fits into the engine bay nicely on standard turbo runners. Once again JAP-XU1 makes his own plenum for these beasts so hit him and see what he has to offer.
Im using the standard jatco in my car which has been beefed up abit. I had to get the gearbox crossmember made because despite providing the material the castlemain rodshop kit doesn't come with a pre-made crossmember, which they did forget to tell me. This wasn't a big set back although I wouldn't purchase the material off them to make the crossmember as the guy that built mine only used one bit and used stronger stuff for the rest.
You need to get a custom tailshaft made to suit obviously.
That is about all I can think of at the moment. If you want anymore info just reply in here and i'll keep an eye on the thread.
Here is the latest pic of my engine bay. It has just been put back together after doing big ends...
Dean
#10 _high_rpm_
Posted 20 December 2007 - 01:07 PM
#11
Posted 20 December 2007 - 05:17 PM
#12 _UCV80_
Posted 22 December 2007 - 09:14 AM
,nathan
#13 _studricho_
Posted 22 December 2007 - 05:00 PM
I changed my mind and went for the RB25 instead now. I also use the castle main cross member and engine mounts. I made my own sump, but it didn't work that well.
I did find a sump from an amercian nissan that fits very nicely in the torana engine bay with only slight mods. It's factory nissan sump. $300 delivered from states including pick up..
I still got the RB30 harness stripped down and ready to plug in, but i don't know if this will suit your application.
#14 _mumstaxi_
Posted 29 December 2007 - 08:46 PM
Nice Pic Dean.
My problem is i already have a complete car but i want to change the engine only, i dont really want to move my gearbox (Trimatic) change shifter position or get tailshaft made crossmember etc ,unless i really have to, it all worked fine just the way it is.
there are a few kits/options available to adapt RB30 to Trimatic and to put this combo into a UC torrie, but no one so far has been able to give me even approx measurements of engine location in my car, especially strange as i only want to change engines and dont want a different gearbox aswell.
In fact when i asked if i could get approx distance/measurement from engine to firewall (when using the engine mounts they supply), one place said to me "it's close, but it will fit" ....... THANKS !
I have read through quite a few post's, but reports on the same kits differ so much , one person will say i used this kit with no probs the next post i find everone is saying the mounts are rubbish, i had to space engine forward, or engine hits on heater fan shroud etc
i did not feel that these would have been a difficult questions for the manufaturer's of the kits to answer,as the kit is to fit a trimatic to a rb30 then mounts to torana , i have the torana and the trimatic already,(in standard configuration), i just want to know where the engine will sit ?
I have made calls, sent emails all with no definite answers, hence why i am still annoying you guy's.
I have now sent PM to Jap Xu1, hope he can help on this subject.
Thanks for your time.
#15
Posted 30 December 2007 - 08:08 PM
#16 _mumstaxi_
Posted 30 December 2007 - 09:15 PM
what sort of box did you have in mind tho ?
I could not come up with a better idea, bearing in mind i dont want to start spending heaps of $$$ making a gearbox and X-member all fit in the Car then making the Box a bit stronger + stall , then (if not a jatco) still having to adapt it to the RB30.....sounds quite expensive ?
I have spent thousands of $$$ on my Trimatic (ment to handle over 400hp ?) and was built to suit Turbo engine type torque etc as used with my other Turbo 6, + it's already in the car and paid for.
And i thought heaps of guys with tuff " VL turbos " (rb30s) use Trimatic gearboxes as a preference anyway ?
Cheers
#17 _Bomber Watson_
Posted 30 December 2007 - 09:28 PM
Beaut boxes from my experience, but i have a full manual fully tricked up one and havnt put a lot of power through it yet, we shall see.
Cheers.
#18
Posted 31 December 2007 - 10:29 AM
#19 _turbotorana1976_
Posted 01 January 2008 - 12:38 PM
Now i have done the conversion, although my car isn't actually going yet
Have you seen the posts about my car??
Despite the fact i have a twin cam head, the engine is still an rb30 and i had a single cammer in there previosly.
So i use the castlemaine engine mounts, they are good quality imo and the engine fitted straight in (without a sump on, also i have no heater box)
Since this i have modified the mounts so the engine sits 9mm lower and 9mm further back. this is because the twin cam head is taller and wont fit under thr bonnet, i have had to cut away some of the bonnet brcing at the front too.
the measurement from the head to firewall will differ from car to car a little if the gearbox crossmembers are different heights. just something to think about. my engine is not in atm so i cannot give you a measurement, but as you stated it is quite close, like 10-20mm from the firewall, my single cam tappit cover sat just under the lip on the firewall if i remember correctly.
I have used a castlemaine rod shop gearbox crossmember to suit powerglide, just the same one the v8 boys use. if the gearbox is a little different in position than before the crossmember usually has slots on the crosmember so it can be moved a bit. but then your tailshaft may need to be modified.
If you plan on running an intercooler id have the engine back as far as possible, there is not heaps of room for the fan and radiator and intercooler, perhaps you even have a transmission cooler? i suppose it depends on wht thickness intercooler you run too, i wanted no smaller than 100mm thick, its 300x600x100 plus the end tanks obviosly. i trimmed quite a bit of the front panel to fit the intercooler in where i wanted.
I didnt buy a sump from castlemaine as they are quite expensive, and you have to supply them with a sump. I found they were not very helpful as i wanted to know what the sump looked like before paying the 600 or more dollars, they were not interested in telling me anything about it other than it fits.
So i am building one.
The sump needs to be really shallow to clear the crosmember(remember my motor is 9mm lower) I had so little room i have run the pickup line outside of the sump and modify the oil pump to suit.
i'll put some pics of it on my thread.
I have probably just confused you, but it really is very easy, the sump i think is the biggest job id say.
This is my car
http://www.gmh-toran...pic=17244&st=30
Edited by turbotorana1976, 01 January 2008 - 12:40 PM.
#20 _high_rpm_
Posted 01 January 2008 - 02:26 PM
no point for a t5 when a r33 box is almost bullet proofWell yeah I don't deny that they're not a bad unit, but a Jatco (four speed!) or an MX7 would be awesome... right? Or any other nice gearbox that there are cheap bellhousings for. I mean I'd go manual but that's personal preference. Any setups for mating T5s to RB motors?
#21 _mumstaxi_
Posted 01 January 2008 - 03:17 PM
Thanks for your reply,
I have spoken to the castlemaine boys about my UC conversion and they had no measurements to give me ???,apparently when i was on the phone to them they had a LJ/LC Torana that they themselves are fitting with a RB30.
I was also told that they are making changes/adjustments to the Kit/Mounts etc, and that they will be able to tell me more in a couple of days when they complete the conversion that they are presently undertaking (hope they know difference between a LC & a UC)
That was about 3 weeks ago and i still have not heard, but we have had Xmas and people take holidays etc this time of year so maybe they just forgot to ring, i will try again soon in 08.
I want to keep my heater ,yet another reason why i wanted a measurement/s of engine position.
The UC does not have the same steel nose cone area like a LX/LH so the intercooler (mine about 600x300x75 ) should sit in "front" of the Radiator support panel (with small mod to bonnet catch support bar)
Its starting to look as though the only way im ever gonna get the "measurements" i want is after ive already done the conversion myself !
Thanks for your help/advice and BTW your car looks great.
#22 _turbotorana1976_
Posted 01 January 2008 - 03:21 PM
i have added some pics and info about my sump today if that helps
#23
Posted 01 January 2008 - 06:54 PM
lol I knew there was a Nissan box that is commonly put in setups like (a good move) this but i just could not remember what it was. Yes, agreed, would be at least as good as a T5 and an easier conversion probably because of the bellhousing.no point for a t5 when a r33 box is almost bullet proof
#24 _mumstaxi_
Posted 10 January 2008 - 07:39 PM
shame cos from the pic's i have come across his work looked fantastic.
Anyway, I just ordered the full RB30 conversion kit from CRS today.
The CRS Kit for LX LH UC has now just been improved (this week) to fit RB30 and retain/clear the heater fan shroud without mods,so in theory the whole thing should just bolt in/ together.
Hope so ! (sounds to good to be true)
MT
#25 _high_rpm_
Posted 10 January 2008 - 10:58 PM
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