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Started by _rorym_ , Jul 15 2008 05:24 PM

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Posted 18 July 2008 - 08:09 AM

Here's an M22 Rock Crusher for you. http://cgi.ebay.com/...p3286.m14.l1318

Edited by warrenm, 18 July 2008 - 08:13 AM.

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Posted 18 July 2008 - 10:00 AM

When all of you refer to the muncie are you only talking about the "rock crusher" version with the straighter cut teeth or the std version also. I guess what i am trying to say is a std muncie (m21?) on par with a std toploader, or only the m22 rock crusher???
I am about to start using a m21 so will let you all know how i go with it :spoton:

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Posted 18 July 2008 - 10:21 AM

What about the awesome Mopar box the A833 anything that can live behind a 426 or 440 must be the best :spoton:
Best mate had a ST10 in his hatch which copped an awful caning behind a tunnel rammed 308 and never gave any probs.
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Edited by mr.jones, 18 July 2008 - 10:23 AM.

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Posted 18 July 2008 - 10:36 AM

When all of you refer to the muncie are you only talking about the "rock crusher" version with the straighter cut teeth or the std version also. I guess what i am trying to say is a std muncie (m21?) on par with a std toploader, or only the m22 rock crusher???
I am about to start using a m21 so will let you all know how i go with it :spoton:

The one I was referring to isn't a rock crusher. Just the Standard M21 Muncie with 2.2:1 1st gear and TH350 sized output shaft. You can also get this box with a TH400 sized output shaft and a fine spline input shaft. Option MC7 in HQ was a large output shaft and fine spline input but in M20 ratios set (2.52:1 1st). Even the standard M20 and M21 Muncie should be stronger than a standard top-loader.

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Posted 18 July 2008 - 11:45 AM

Even the standard M20 and M21 Muncie should be stronger than a standard top-loader.

That's a big call.
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Posted 19 July 2008 - 12:30 AM

Would have to be toploader . Surely??

Edited by Demag, 19 July 2008 - 12:31 AM.

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Posted 19 July 2008 - 01:02 AM

For a production box it would be have to be a Super T10.

I've fitted a few to customer cars, & no one has ever broken one yet !!!

I'm about to do some "normal" muncies for a 68 Camaro for Group N historics, so will find out just how good they are real soon.

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Posted 19 July 2008 - 07:34 AM

Plenty of info at this site http://www.5speeds.com/
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Posted 20 July 2008 - 11:42 AM

Got a quote for recoed ST10 from the states..$1050 plus 4
$420 freight..about $1500 AUD landed.
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Posted 20 July 2008 - 01:38 PM

They will also value the invoice to whatever I want under $1000 so as not tp pay duty on the import...Nice guys!!
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Posted 21 July 2008 - 09:23 AM

Certainly cheaper than they are here,when they appear from time to time.What company has given you that price?
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Posted 21 July 2008 - 09:31 AM

http://fourgeartrans.com/

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Posted 23 July 2008 - 11:15 PM

Supra boxes are the strongest and there is 2 types of Celica box, a steel case and an aluminium case one.

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My vote goes towards the supra box - R156?, they can handle a LOT of troque, but if their abused(dropping clutches, burnouts, flatshifting) they fall apart quickly. The biggest problem is if their run with Big HP, and the correct oil isnt used or the correct oil changes performed they can easily sheer teeth off.


Edit: Ninja edited box model - wasnt thinking

Edited by doucmyuc, 23 July 2008 - 11:28 PM.

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Posted 24 July 2008 - 02:41 AM

I think you just posted 4 reasons not to use a Supra box..I could be wrong....
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Posted 24 July 2008 - 08:17 AM

Hmmm. A Supra box has trouble lasting behind a 308. Imagine one behind a 600ftlb 427 with slicks on full noise. Probably would last a few seconds.

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Posted 24 July 2008 - 09:43 AM

Imho, for big HP or torque use a specialised box like a Holinger, Jerico or, maybe, a toughened T56.

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 08:13 PM

TREMEC Do the TKO 5spd box for about 6grand, they are tough as and they can do complete conversion kits from 7

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Posted 28 July 2008 - 08:28 PM

$7k??? Did you see the post up there for a ST10 for $1500?? :huh:
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Posted 29 July 2008 - 09:10 AM

The M22 rebuilt on the link above sounds very much like what Bob Jane did with his ZL1 Camaro. It put out more hp and torque and the box copped more abuse than just about anything anyone here will ever do, so I think that is a good indication of what the M22 is good for. If the ST10 is even stronger than go for that, but in a weekend cruiser the sound of a rockcrusher would be sweet. Would give you the shits on an everyday driver though.

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Posted 29 July 2008 - 12:43 PM

If you have a look at Kinsler's website they do a TKO 600 5 speed and all the bits for $2,500 new. Freight is dear if you get it by air, about $800.

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 05:32 PM

Due to recient events, I find this thread interesting.

(anyone want a dead big bore M21)

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 05:39 PM

No..
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Posted 30 July 2008 - 07:33 PM

How dead is it?

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Posted 30 July 2008 - 09:49 PM

Growled in neutral,1,2,3 but quieter in 4th.

It's coming out with the engine any day now.

Gear box autopsy nest week, stay tuned. Pics will be available too.

All this fun just for me!!!

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Posted 25 August 2009 - 09:23 PM

I gave my toploader the big heavho and put in a tremic tko500 best move, the toploader is ford shit and shifted like it. never blown up a ten bolt diff either but I have had the 9" out three times now.

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