Matts got it.
When you lower the car to the point you are talking you start to encounter issues like bump steer etc.
Look at Litre8.
Howard now uses it as a dedicated track car, and its not really low at all.
I think you are confusing your ideas.
Go-karts dont have suspension, F1 cars are a purpose built+designed racing car, there is no way in hell you can compare an F1 cars properties to that of a torana, or any road car for that matter.
And when did you last see an F1 car trying to negotiate a surburban back street complete with pot holes, uneven corners and speedbumps.
Does anyone have a REALLY low torana????
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Posted 03 December 2008 - 09:59 AM
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If you can get the sill panels of a torana only 100mm off the tar that would be a pretty low ride! Im thinking that challenge is to get everything under tucked up really well like exhaust and whatever else
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Matts got it.
When you lower the car to the point you are talking you start to encounter issues like bump steer etc.
Look at Litre8.
Howard now uses it as a dedicated track car, and its not really low at all.
I think you are confusing your ideas.
Go-karts dont have suspension, F1 cars are a purpose built+designed racing car, there is no way in hell you can compare an F1 cars properties to that of a torana, or any road car for that matter.
And when did you last see an F1 car trying to negotiate a surburban back street complete with pot holes, uneven corners and speedbumps
By that i was talking about centre of gravity being low and NOT being like a boat. I know it will be stiff to ride in and uncomfortable but i dont think i will lose too much handleing
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Posted 03 December 2008 - 10:05 AM
Look at these cars, some of the best handling cars in the world!
These would all be 100% legal on our roads! (lowest point is probably 100mm)
Audi RS5 (pure sex!) http://farm4.static....d7d4e8a23_o.jpg
Lotus Elise http://www.seriouswh...ck-1280x960.jpg
Mercedes AMG Black - http://www.tuningnew...lack-series.jpg
These would all be 100% legal on our roads! (lowest point is probably 100mm)
Audi RS5 (pure sex!) http://farm4.static....d7d4e8a23_o.jpg
Lotus Elise http://www.seriouswh...ck-1280x960.jpg
Mercedes AMG Black - http://www.tuningnew...lack-series.jpg
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So if i lower my car to 100mm off the road, i will have a car that handles better than standard??? 
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Posted 03 December 2008 - 10:08 AM
No, Lower it about 2" and it will handle better than standard... Then spend money on shocks, sway bars, new bushes etc etc...
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Posted 03 December 2008 - 12:55 PM
go throw some money at koni or bilstein and get some decent shocks, springs etc etc.
Then it will handle better.
Its not about how low the car is that makes it handle, no body roll is not always a good thing. Its about how the suspension reacts through the corner, how it rebounds after the corner, how controllable it is etc etc. Simply lowering a cars COG, especially until its riding so firm that it begins to smash the car to pieces, will not help te handling as much as a decent shock/spring/swaybar combo will.
People like Howard (Litre8) Greg (82911) and a bunch of the "older" (i use that word nicely... trust me
) will be able to explain it all heaps better then matt and I can, but it seems you have your heart set on having a commodore themed torana.... go for it..
Then it will handle better.
Its not about how low the car is that makes it handle, no body roll is not always a good thing. Its about how the suspension reacts through the corner, how it rebounds after the corner, how controllable it is etc etc. Simply lowering a cars COG, especially until its riding so firm that it begins to smash the car to pieces, will not help te handling as much as a decent shock/spring/swaybar combo will.
People like Howard (Litre8) Greg (82911) and a bunch of the "older" (i use that word nicely... trust me
) will be able to explain it all heaps better then matt and I can, but it seems you have your heart set on having a commodore themed torana.... go for it..
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A correctly modified stock ride height Torana will out handle an incorrectly modified Torana with 100mm ground clearance.
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The job for today was to fit my new exhaust. I wanted to tuck it up real nice coz the idea of crushing my exhaust on the first speed hump didnt really appeal to me. i decided to modify my crosmember and this is what i did.
just a quick cut and weld in a new piece
heaps better and flows better than two bends too!
just a quick cut and weld in a new piece
heaps better and flows better than two bends too!
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Posted 03 December 2008 - 10:36 PM
I think the 100mm rule is obviously the lowest you can go sensibly on the street, maybe even a little too low for the street.
Lowering a car is more about its look than handling, as said before a proper set up car will handle very well even at almost standard height.
last i measured my car it was at about 125mm and I was pretty happy with its height but that was without the exhaust in.
and last time it was on the road the back was up too high because of spring issues and it handled better than the gts except under brakes.
Lowering a car is more about its look than handling, as said before a proper set up car will handle very well even at almost standard height.
last i measured my car it was at about 125mm and I was pretty happy with its height but that was without the exhaust in.
and last time it was on the road the back was up too high because of spring issues and it handled better than the gts except under brakes.
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Posted 04 December 2008 - 05:24 PM
Get adjustable shocks...
you can dump it on its arse...
get pulled over
cop a canary
jack it back up
rid the canary
dump it again...
or
you can dump on its arse...
decide it drives like shit
and jack it back up to a nice compromise
win win situation.
P.S sorry if this has already been mentioned. I skimmed over the post
you can dump it on its arse...
get pulled over
cop a canary
jack it back up
rid the canary
dump it again...
or
you can dump on its arse...
decide it drives like shit
and jack it back up to a nice compromise
win win situation.
P.S sorry if this has already been mentioned. I skimmed over the post
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adjustable shocks ay?? tell me more........
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Posted 04 December 2008 - 05:47 PM
these guys will measure and custom make to suit your car.
I'm sure there are others.
http://www.axtturbo.com.au/hbind.html
Hope I've done that right. Otherwise go to axtturbo.com.au
I'm sure there are others.
http://www.axtturbo.com.au/hbind.html
Hope I've done that right. Otherwise go to axtturbo.com.au
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I think you're talking about coilovers? Adjustable shocks just change the damping rates, no effect on ride height. Adjustable height suspension generally requires custom work on a Torana.
edit: Although back in the day air shocks were very popular and could raise the car quite a bit. Didn't do a lot for the handling though and never seen any on the front end.
edit: Although back in the day air shocks were very popular and could raise the car quite a bit. Didn't do a lot for the handling though and never seen any on the front end.
Edited by 76lxhatch, 04 December 2008 - 06:01 PM.
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Posted 04 December 2008 - 06:08 PM
I got pump up shocks in the back of the SS! LOL! They were a towing option...
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thanks 76lxhatch
Yes I did mean coilovers.
I confused them with my Koni's
Yes I did mean coilovers.
I confused them with my Koni's
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Posted 04 December 2008 - 06:16 PM
You can get PolyAirbags in VU utes and stuff. Its an airbag inside the spring that you can fill with air to stiffen up rear springs... Not sure if they raise or lower a car though... More a stiffness thing for load carrying... But seeing Torana rear and commodore rear springs are similar, you could look into it
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How low can you go in a LH with springs before having to look at getting new shocks?
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As far as rear shocks go not very far, because the shocks are used to keep the springs captive. It only needs to be lowered a bit before the springs become loose at full suspension droop, especially as most lowered springs tend to be stiffer and a lot shorter in extended height/length. By the time you get the car down to 100mm off the deck you'll be wanting shocks more than 100mm shorter than factory. Front shocks nowhere near as bad, the spring and shock doesn't travel as far as the wheel due to being halfway along the control arm so you can get away with the factory length shock for most springs.
edit: all that only takes into account length, if you're changing spring rates etc you'll want a set of shocks that can keep up
edit: all that only takes into account length, if you're changing spring rates etc you'll want a set of shocks that can keep up
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How low can you go in a LH with springs before having to look at getting new shocks?
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OK, Thanks for the help guys.
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Posted 04 December 2008 - 09:46 PM
im just putting my opinion across as is everyone else we all think its a dumb idea (no offence) it'll handle like a truck
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Posted 04 December 2008 - 09:56 PM
shut up josh no one cares what you think. Thats what about 5 other people have tried to hint to you but i dont think u understand mate. I you dont like it - dont go into this thread! stop whinging
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just about everyone here is hinting to you that its a dumb idea im just actually putting the point across in words that you can understand rather then hint hint catch my drift
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