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Posted 08 February 2009 - 02:57 AM

If you're anything like me, you'll know how hard it is to do the rocker cover gasket on a holden 6 if it has an aftermarket rocker cover. Some are better than others and are easy to do and sometimes factory ones are a pain in the ass too. If yours is a pain I suggest you do this simple mod.
Start by buying some threaded rod or if you're lucky some 30mm studs in the same size as the rocker cover bolts. If you've got threaded rod cut to 30mm or if you can be bothered measuring more you may be able to get it down to less. I ended up cutting 5mm or so off mine so maybe start at 25?

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Once you've done this, bend over or crush the threads about 8mm up from the bottom, preferably the whole way round the thread. Try not to ruin any of the threads either side of the bit you're bending.

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Next start screwing them in by hand. When it gets difficult to turn them double up some nuts on the stud like so:

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This way you'll actually be able to tighten it. You should be able to feel when it gets to the point where it won't ever come out. Eventually you'll get to this stage:

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And along the way you might discover that using standard valve springs, no matter how new they are, on a high lift cam is a bad idea.

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When you've got all the studs in, your rocker cover and gasket should slip over them easily and with no issues like being unable to find the holes, or the bolts cross threading or generally being an asshole to do. All you need to do is fit nuts and the rocker cover tabs or if they don't fit your rocker cover (like mine) some washers. Try and get the smallest nut you can with the most internal threads. The first lot I got were too big then the second ones were only a meter thick so they can definitely be improved upon.

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Hopefully someone finds it useful and hopefully I'm not the only one with the impossible-to-fit-rocker-cover problem.

Edited by bon_scott, 08 February 2009 - 03:00 AM.


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Posted 08 February 2009 - 03:01 AM

And yes, I have nothing better to do at 4am than write things like this.

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Posted 08 February 2009 - 06:49 AM

I just glue the gasket into the cover.. studs are fine but I'd still use those wide, odd shaped washers that are standard issue with the stock cover so as to avoid distortion around each stud.

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Posted 08 February 2009 - 07:44 AM

yeh we just ues arp studs on rocker cover and sump but we also run the std washers on std rocker cover.

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Posted 08 February 2009 - 08:43 AM

:spoton: Top job Bon, would never have thought of it. The boy has those stupid wingnut bolts on his and we are forever tightening them not to mention the ones that are bent so when we pull it out for the rebuild will have to put this on the to do list.


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Posted 08 February 2009 - 11:14 AM

Those stupid wingnut bolts are fantastic for lining up rocker cover gaskets.

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Posted 08 February 2009 - 11:22 AM

Used to silastic gasket to head, and lightly grease cover side of gasket.
This used to help with reducing oil spillage if you were working on less than even surfaces.

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Posted 08 February 2009 - 11:42 AM

don't know if it's my set , but i am foreva tightening them, not all just a couple.


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Posted 08 February 2009 - 12:51 PM

If you can take the wings off the wingnuts that should stop your loosening problem. Vibrations seem to set up a rotational harmonic, and having wings would accentuate it.

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Posted 08 February 2009 - 02:03 PM

Good point with the wing type bolts. On my first Hatchback it had them and i was always tightening them. They didn't like alot of pressure either so i am more tempted to go with some original bolts and washers but chrome.

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Posted 08 February 2009 - 02:23 PM

Now that you mention it Rockoz, the only ones that get loose are the ones with the wings still on, have to knock the rest off next time the bonnet is up (hopefully next weekend for engine change).


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Posted 08 February 2009 - 02:36 PM

I just glue the gasket into the cover.. studs are fine but I'd still use those wide, odd shaped washers that are standard issue with the stock cover so as to avoid distortion around each stud.


Yeah if they'd have fit on mine I would've sued them but they were scratching the crap out of the cover trying to get them to the base of the stud so I thought stuff it I'll just use washers. Hopefully it will distort the washers first before the cover, although its only a chikety china one (which might be why the standard tabs don't fit) so it doesn't really matter if it gets a little bent.
Also I should've written in the main bit but can't edit now, I got the idea from Mick the Commodorenut (under that username on street commodores forum), who some of you may know as he mentioned he'd been on here.

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Posted 08 February 2009 - 02:42 PM

Learnt lots of things about making life easy with Holden 6s years and years ago.
Could tune them by ear.
Could set points by eye.
Could diagnose most electrical problems in under a minute.
Ahhh the good old days.
Was taught by a couple of very old mechanics.

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Posted 08 February 2009 - 04:08 PM

It all seems a bit complicated. What I do is throw the new cork gasket into a tub of water while I'm cleaning the gasket surfaces. Even new gaskets dry out and ones that have been sitting around for a while get a bit brittle. I then lay the new damp gasket into place in the rocker cover and tie it down with cotton thread though the bolt holes. This is easily cut away once all the bolts are in and then its only a matter of doing the final tightening.

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Posted 08 February 2009 - 04:26 PM

^I suppose it is, but you only have to do this once. After that its always a matter of just slipping on the gasket and cover and doing up the nuts. You'd have to do the bolts up anyway so it may end up quicker than doing the thing with the thread.

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Posted 08 February 2009 - 05:21 PM

anyone ever used those rubber rocker cover gaskets before? I'm thinking of using one on mine as apparently they are reusable. cork just seems a bit old school.

Also when I build my new motor i'll be using a rtv type silicon on the sump I think rather than using a gasket as a lot of newer motors are done this way anyway.

You could also try some loctite if your bolts are coming loose.

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Posted 08 February 2009 - 05:23 PM

Hayden how do you cut the threads? with an angle grinder? If you have no powertools like me.. will a blade saw work :S ?

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Posted 08 February 2009 - 08:07 PM

anyone ever used those rubber rocker cover gaskets before? I'm thinking of using one on mine as apparently they are reusable.


Expensive and they leak. Cork is cheap and easy.

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Posted 08 February 2009 - 08:56 PM

Hayden how do you cut the threads? with an angle grinder? If you have no powertools like me.. will a blade saw work :S ?


You will need a hack saw.

I have used a rubber gasket on a trimatic before.. They are crap they leak like buggery!!

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Posted 08 February 2009 - 11:39 PM

anyone ever used those rubber rocker cover gaskets before? I'm thinking of using one on mine as apparently they are reusable. cork just seems a bit old school.

Also when I build my new motor i'll be using a rtv type silicon on the sump I think rather than using a gasket as a lot of newer motors are done this way anyway.

You could also try some loctite if your bolts are coming loose.



The one I've got now is a neoprene one with a metal inner bit (dunno if thats how the ones you're talking about are) and it hasn't leaked yet, and has been reused 3 times now. I hate cork gaskets because they leave cork shit all over the head.

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Posted 09 February 2009 - 07:29 AM

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Did i miss something here or are you talking to someone else?
Cheers Hayden

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Posted 09 February 2009 - 03:22 PM

The one I've got now is a neoprene one with a metal inner bit (dunno if thats how the ones you're talking about are) and it hasn't leaked yet, and has been reused 3 times now. I hate cork gaskets because they leave cork shit all over the head.



Hi,

Don't think i've seen those ones before. Where abouts did you get that from and what $$$?

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Posted 09 February 2009 - 03:38 PM

Pretty easy to find and about $30.00 or so.

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Posted 09 February 2009 - 04:09 PM

Hi all,another option if your getting your head done is to have rocker cover surface milled flat then i use arp studs and a little permatex and no leaks at all even with alloy covers as they don't like to flex as the standard ones do.All with corl gasket as i have tried the neo ones and they leak more than an old worn out cork gasket.

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Posted 09 February 2009 - 11:30 PM

Hi all,another option if your getting your head done is to have rocker cover surface milled flat then i use arp studs and a little permatex and no leaks at all even with alloy covers as they don't like to flex as the standard ones do.All with corl gasket as i have tried the neo ones and they leak more than an old worn out cork gasket.

Thanks Jeff


Well I've used mine three times and it hasn't leaked yet. Did you make sure it was flat on the head or cover first? (That's assuming your ones had the bendy metal insert).

Com_VC-Sorry I picked it up at a swap meet for $10 so I can't help you there.




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