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[Statler]

Ok...i have to admit.......i look at the tags first.

Hang on....dont flame me yet!

I like to know exactly what i am looking at!
If the tags say it is a SL/R, then i look at the car as a SL/R!
If the tags say it's a sunbudgie, & it has a 308 with SL/R5000 plastered down the sides......then i can admire the car as a replica!

The thing that annoys me is when the owner tries to convince me it is a 'factory 1 off bathurst car'.

Sheesh!

I also hate my SL/R being refered to as a sunbird! Hey.....who doesn't?
But it is usually by ppl walking.....& i know that their 'fraud' is in the shop! .....LOL

Cheers, Col.

[Mort]

pardon my ignorance, but what is the diifferance between a sunbird and a Torana ( and yes i know a sunbird is a torana) apart from a 4cyl motor with a gearbox and diff to suit.


Mort

[TerrA LX]

pardon my ignorance, but what is the diifferance between a sunbird and a Torana..

Mort

Well one is a Torana and the other is just a sunbird.

[rodomo]

pardon my ignorance, but what is the diifferance between a sunbird and a Torana ( and yes i know a sunbird is a torana) apart from a 4cyl motor with a gearbox and diff to suit.
Mort

Sunbirds have the "Sunbird" stigma.

[Statler]

Difference between a sunbird & a torana?

Sunbird owners dont go looking for a SL/R front end to replace their worn out/ sagged one!

LOL

[76lxhatch]

Weren't the LH four cylinder models Toranas and then later on (partway through LX, I'm not sure?) they were changed to Sunbird? The confusion starts right there...

[Collo]

Wasn't the Lh 4 banger the Torana 1900 or something?

Mort, the only differences I know (apart from the driveline) are the badges and grill.

[fatslr]

Geez everyone does have a tender spot
This discussion makes me instantly think of the words "just a 308"or "just a 6"
At the end of the day you have a nice looking ride that your happy with I think sometimes people are just throwing a line out fishing for a bite with these half baked comments before they go back to the carpark and get in their VT Commodore

[yel327]

If they have to look at tags to get there "opinion" on a car then i would not worry about there comments at all. Still says Torana on the Compliance Plate.

I agree with most all comments here - better off modifying something with little integral worth (eg a Sunbird body and tags) rather than modifying something that you could sell for good dollars in pieces (a 4.2 SLR in pieces). The 4cyl car would probably have a better body and an easier life as well.

But, a Sunbird isn't called or plated a Torana (although it just about is parts wise) especially in LX. Holden started the T,U,V and W series cars in 1975 model year.
The T series started with the TA then went into the Gemini series TC, TD, TE etc.
The U series is the 4cyl LH Torana, early 4cyl LX and then changed name to the Sunbird. The UC Torana is an odd one out probably orphaned by the V series jumping into Commodore and hence it got the same code as the Sunbird. Hence 8UG69. But it could also just have been Holden's strategy when they aligned the series code with the body model code?
The V series is the 6cyl and V8 LH and LX and then leaps into VB, VC through to VE today. Hence 8VD69 etc
W series started in HJ, through to WB and the again later in the later generation Statesmans. Hence 8WN69 etc.

It was also at UC/VB/WB that Holden changed from a series code eg HQ, LX etc to using the body model code in the series code eg UC, VB, VL etc.

What I'm getting at is a Sunbird is a totally different body model code to Torana in LX (ie U vs V) and it isn't plated or badged Torana anywhere. This is different in the LH and early LX where the 4cyl variant is called Torana (as is the TA). In a UC the Sunbird and Torana are the same body model code but just a different luxury level (UG vs UH). So I suppose by people saying it's "just a Sunbird" they are technically correct - it's not a Torana, and in "pure logic world" a Sunbird couldn't be part of say Toranafest, and the event would then have to be called "Torana and Sunbird Fest"!!!. But once it's got a V8 and better driveline who really cares? Until you lift the bonnet it looks like any other Torana.

Edited by yel327, 20 February 2009 - 07:31 AM.

[MRLXSS]

^^ I'm not sure about LX Sunbirds, But a UC Sunbird, the compliance plate reads HOLDEN TORANA COUPE (OR) SEDAN, with all the body numbers and ADR's etc. The options plate shows the model code but thats it. No idea if LX sunbirds have the same thing though.

[MRLXSS]

If you take off all the badges, Ash tray, options tag, and i guess the VIN tag... You'd have no way of picking it as a Sunbird (if that pissy 4 banger isnt still in there! LOL) I know have looked closely at UC Sunbudgies, So again, not sure about the LX but i assume they are the same.

[yel327]

Probably part of the alignment of series code with body model code?? 4cyl Commodores are still Commodores and the UC was coded in the same way.

Anyone got an LX Sunbird? Do they say Torana on the ADR plate? I thought they didn't because Holden certainly made them a different model on the other plates. Happy to be proven wrong on that point though.

[ToRunYa]

mine has always had "sl" all over it. from factory with the 4 pot it officially makes her a "sunbudgie"
Not my fault she came out of factory with a 4 pot but its was rectified 8 years ago and given 4 more cylinders.
Boris aint a bad looking sunbird and i dont care. its a hatch!
What shits me is ppl who say ive give the impression she is a "ss". the people ive known here for umteenth years know i have never said that and if she was a "ss" i would at least have it stickered that way!

EDIT: Mine says "Holden Coupe"

Edited by ToRunYa, 20 February 2009 - 07:45 AM.

[REDA9X]

Don't forget the Sunbird was the first holden with RTS....

[TerrA LX]

They should have a stuck a 350 chev in it and called it a Firebird.

[MRLXSS]

Only you would do that Big T! LOL