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The Great L34 A9X debate

Started by REDA9X , Apr 02 2009 09:18 AM

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#301 _outer control_

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 02:18 AM

Red has not replied so does that mean the L34 owners have won or is he taking a break!
Baron von brokenoften doesn,t count as his poverty pack A9X has only got 2 doors

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 06:48 AM

Reply to what? I'm not the jealous one. I'd like to have a black hatch and an L34, I don't think mine is better than either of them. I started the thread, not the arguement.

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#303 _The Baron_

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 02:28 PM

You'll need better bait than that fishing for HB owners.

Yep, with a car of that caliber, HB owners would have heard (suffered) it all. Lousy handling, no power, no room, the only thing going for it is some sort of misguided belief there is a charm factor. Bit like those sad souls who think a datsun 120y is special!

RED SHOPPING TROLLEY, in truth there is nothing wrong with any of these cars........it's just the owners that are all weird.

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#304 _The Baron_

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 02:34 PM

Red has not replied so does that mean the L34 owners have won or is he taking a break!
Baron von brokenoften doesn,t count as his poverty pack A9X has only got 2 doors

Oh and Big W, it is Baron von Oftenbroken.

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#305 _Got1UR1_

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 02:45 PM

G,day Baron von Brokenoffen, As you say cars are all good be they HB,s or the ultimate conclusion of the development proccess. The only weird owners are the one,s who cannot differentiate between good natured banter / leg pulling / plain bullsh!t or as sometimes happens serious conversations that degenerate further. Keep it light, keep it fun. and if you can,t handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen!!! This thread could just as easily be the merits of HK,T and G Monaro,s v HQ,J and X,s, if we were into them that is......Red Taxi,s I can take but calling them Red shopping trolleys is a bit low......... So Darky :sucker:

your act.

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#306 kudu

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 06:53 PM

Reply to what? I'm not the jealous one. I'd like to have a black hatch and an L34, I don't think mine is better than either of them. I started the thread, not the arguement.

I wouldn't call it an argument....more a friendly debate...lol. I must admit that it has been an interesting read. Sort of like being in victoria with AFL fans and debating whether collingwood is better than the bombers. All AFL fans, but just with slightly different opinions.

I have owned neither A9X or L34, and probably never will. I think if I had the option for only one I would choose the L34. For no other reason than I like the LH model.

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#307 _Got1UR1_

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 08:42 PM

G,day kudu, Nice car you have there, great attitude to the debate as well. Please don,t write the A9Xs off completely, they make a perfectly good tow vehicle for taking an L34 to the track. :stirpot:

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#308 _racer8_

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 08:44 PM

Sorry people, but this is getting off the subject a bit. I find it very ammusing, (sometimes frustrating), that almost every car magazine that i have read, they always report on the A9X, LJ XU1, & XY GTHO, as seem to be the only muscle cars ever made.
They almost never include, chargers, early GTs, etc, and especially L34s, they seem to treat these cars like they never have even exsisted! now being a proud owner of two L34s, i fully realise this model wasn,t perfect, but once you have owned one, you do discover how unique this particular model is.
But it seems in all full respect to the A9X, these so called know it all journalists forget that if it wasn,t for the L34 with its racing heartaches, the A9X may not have be produced.
Not trying to start arguments here people, just airing my thoughts.To me though every factory muscle car is special in their own way.

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#309 _Got1UR1_

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 09:02 PM

<P>G,day racer8, Here,s a thought on L34,s and there place in the hierachy of things. I also have an L34, and have had another in a past life. You are right, they have never been given the level of respect and awe the A9X,s are held in. They were built in significantly lesser numbers, they won Bathurst twice, heaps of other races and as you point out were the beginning of "evolution of type" culminating in the mighty A9X. Popular opinion (among owners at least) says they should be placed between an A9X hatch and 4 door in value. This is only one way to measure their importance/rarity, so no one jump up and down about $ values versus passion of the cars ownership. You have to own one to understand these cars.</P>

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#310 _The Baron_

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 09:21 PM

I think it started with the mighty big block Brabham HB.

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#311 _Got1UR1_

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 09:33 PM

Outer has got to you. :sad:

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 09:46 PM

I thought Outer was on the TA bandwagon??? The Trans Am Torana

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 09:49 PM

The problem is most of those magazines from the 80's were put together by blokes who personified the myths that many people believe as truth these days. You know the sort of thing like the A9X had twin thermo fans and twin master cylinders with T10 as standard fit , drop tanks, big wheels and L34 engines. Chargers weren't considered Muscle cars because they didn't have V8, despite being as quick as they were. I was reading a few old Street machines tonight having a good laugh at the crap written. For some strange reason the L34 seemed to just get missed along the way. The XU1's were always featured maybe because they were considered the giant killers against the big HP GTHO.

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#314 _outer control_

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 10:17 PM

I thought Outer was on the TA bandwagon??? The Trans Am Torana

My other name is wobbly Wayne as i sit on the fence a bit these days as i have a foot in many camps.

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#315 _Got1UR1_

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 10:19 PM

If you are sitting on the fence Wayne you are more likely to be called Humpty. Only one way you get wobbly, remember the German hat dance night?

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#316 _outer control_

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 10:25 PM

The problem is most of those magazines from the 80's were put together by blokes who personified the myths that many people believe as truth these days. You know the sort of thing like the A9X had twin thermo fans and twin master cylinders with T10 as standard fit , drop tanks, big wheels and L34 engines. Chargers weren't considered Muscle cars because they didn't have V8, despite being as quick as they were. I was reading a few old Street machines tonight having a good laugh at the crap written. For some strange reason the L34 seemed to just get missed along the way. The XU1's were always featured maybe because they were considered the giant killers against the big HP GTHO.

As always i have said don,t beleive all you read in magazines but sit your butt in the seat and try them.Spoke to a blocke at P Island yesterday and he had a stock L34 with 2.78 diff no air cleaner and he got a 13.8 time slip at A I R in 1975

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#317 _outer control_

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 10:29 PM

If you are sitting on the fence Wayne you are more likely to be called Humpty. Only one way you get wobbly, remember the German hat dance night?

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 06:41 AM

Taking the aircleaner off makes a big difference. I knocked half a second off my times at Eastern Creek in the A9X just turning the lid upside down, as I keep saying, stock as in how it left the factory floor and again what other mods were done to that stock car. Again, a few simple mods, bolt on stuff like changing the exhaust and aircleaner and a tune and it will go. The same mods to an A9X will not make it go as well, but I've said that all along.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 05:32 PM

G,day kudu, Nice car you have there, great attitude to the debate as well. Please don,t write the A9Xs off completely, they make a perfectly good tow vehicle for taking an L34 to the track.

No worries. Anyway its always fun watching aussies argue amongst them selves..... :stirpot:

I definately would not write off the A9X. The one other factor why I would lean the L34 way would be that with a mortgage and 3 kids they generally are a bit cheaper. At the end of the day though they are toranas and I love 'em all.

(Thanks for the comment on the car btw. Its a bit hard to see it very clear in that small pic. I am going to ceramic coat or re-chrome the outer bands of the Mawer wheels soon I think. That should really make a difference.)

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#320 _racer8_

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 06:56 PM

Hey thanks guys for your feedback, it reassurring to know that you all have similar thoughts, i have never driven an A9X, but im sure they were a more refined model in most areas. so if you own one you should be very proud, keep up the good work Torana buffs. cheers Racer8.

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#321 _outer control_

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 08:45 PM

An equivalent A9X 4 door and L34 the L34 would be worth more but A9X 2 door are rarer and command more

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 08:53 PM

An equivalent A9X 4 door and L34 the L34 would be worth more but A9X 2 door are rarer and command more

rephase that to should be because an L34 is rarer than an A9X sedan, and because they were raced while A9X's used GMP&A shells, making genuine L34's even rarer. History of sales has shown the A9X sedans to pull more money though except in maybe one case I know of.

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#323 _The Baron_

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 08:18 AM

A picture is worth a thousand words

3 stooges........that says it all!

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#324 _Got1UR1_

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 12:45 PM

Wayne had a big problem that night, 2 hands and only 1 mouth !! :rockon:

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#325 _LXSS350_

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 01:17 PM

What debate? All we have is a few people repeating urban myths along with wishful thinking. If you start talking modified from what you could buy from the factory floor then its a whole different debate. This crazy talk of factory std 150mph L34's is just fantasy land. Put a factory A9X and factory L34 around a track and the result of having all round disc brakes, better suspension geometry and reliability of the big (non dinky car diff) would be obvious.

However if we want to believe the fantasy of the factory L34 having the full race motor then sure its a chalk and cheese debate. Having owned both and being a Torana fanatic I sure wished these ludicrous comparisons would involve facts, rather than continue with the BS myths and conspiracy theories that have been printed and regurgitated by dreamers. Both models for their time where excellent cars but like anything in performance automotive time = improved development.