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25 painted as 05 in the UK

Started by eyepeeler , May 18 2009 11:14 PM

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#401 bullitA9X

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Posted 16 September 2014 - 09:36 AM

Reda9x its been a great debate thats for sure one way to end it once and for all would be to find the S or B that ex HDT mechanic jeff grech stamped on the roll cages yeah??? even thought the car that went to perth has had the cage changed the other one would have it they just have to find it...

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Posted 16 September 2014 - 12:59 PM

I think the whole thing is disrespectful to John Harvey and David Parsons, and now that it's being perpetuated despite the clear evidence,

I agree with this wholeheartedly. Perpetuating the myth about the QLD car is totally disrespectful to Harvey, one of Australia's greatest all round drivers, and to Skippy Parsons.

(IMO, the scratches on the right sill of the car in the Museum are more than enough verification. That sort of detail can't be successfully replicated).

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Posted 16 September 2014 - 05:37 PM

I've been pushing it for a long time because I've known all along, and I know more than was revealed in that story, including the truth about the log books which I won't comment more on out of respect to the person who had them. I also know all this evidence was around before Brock wrote his letter to AMC. The other thing is I don't like cars being displayed as something they are not. Everyone gets caught out eventually.

I think the whole thing is disrespectful to John Harvey and David Parsons, and now that it's being perpetuated despite the clear evidence, it's also disrepectful to Brock who clearly made a mistake, but the way Mort, Bev and Peter are continuing it, it makes Brock look like he was out to deceive everyone.

You have to ask one simple question. Why did Brock (if the Bathurst car is 25) send it to the museum painted as 05 and specifically instruct the museum not to display it as 05? Why when he was photographed with Perkins and the car a few years later didn't he tell the museum to change its identity? Why from the time it was dropped off in 1985 (and brought back to his workshops at some point), to the point where he supposedly saw the car in the UK didn't he say anything to the museum? He had plenty of opportunity to do so. As Lewis said also, despite repeated requests, Peter never signed a letter of authenticity for that car in QLD. Both Phil and Lewis even say the Bathurst car is the 05 car, thats got to tell you something.

Very well put.... as I'm sure you could have dumped........ and, the silence from the other side is deafening .... Respect is everything in life, it's more valuable than money ........ much respect Red............. :spoton:

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Posted 16 September 2014 - 07:40 PM

+1 Ian

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 05:44 PM

I forgot I had a subscription to this magazine. Just showed up in the letterbox today. Now I'll know what everyone's talking about!

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 05:59 PM

would there be more vk or lx hatch group c brock replicas geting around these days?

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 06:05 PM

There is a VK HDT one acting as a Replica 05 one

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 08:00 PM

Just finished reading all of this. My opinion is, photos seem to tell a thousand words.

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Posted 22 September 2014 - 09:44 AM

What surprises me is that PC says he has the CAMs reissued log books for COM.7 chassis, which was identified earlier as the 25 car.

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Posted 01 October 2014 - 03:23 PM

30 years ago yesterday......

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Posted 01 October 2014 - 03:56 PM

^^^^^^^^

one of the best pictures in motorsport.

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Posted 05 November 2014 - 09:18 AM

New AMC is out with a heap of Champion fans in the letters section still denying the car at the bathurst museum is 05. Mostly their reasoning seems to be that Mort & Bev say that PC has the car! Denying the smoking gun evidence presented in the article? I suppose I shouldn't be surprised after them previously denying the evidence also presented by the Bertie Street forum instigation......

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Posted 05 November 2014 - 10:00 AM

Dave, can you refresh my memory, where i said PC has the real one.

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Posted 05 November 2014 - 12:10 PM

He doesn't mean you he means Mort from bridgestone

Dave, can you refresh my memory, where i said PC has the real one.

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Posted 05 November 2014 - 03:17 PM

New AMC is out with a heap of Champion fans in the letters section still denying the car at the bathurst museum is 05. Mostly their reasoning seems to be that Mort & Bev say that PC has the car! Denying the smoking gun evidence presented in the article? I suppose I shouldn't be surprised after them previously denying the evidence also presented by the Bertie Street forum instigation......

Relax, people are still debating about Neil Armstrong being the first person not to walk on the moon, who shot JFK, the Loch Ness monster etc. The term attention deficit disorder comes to mind.

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Posted 05 November 2014 - 03:32 PM

OK thanks Red

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Posted 05 November 2014 - 03:36 PM

Lol, I thought you were joking Mort !

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Posted 05 November 2014 - 05:52 PM

He meant Rigger Mortis.

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Posted 06 November 2014 - 10:43 AM

Lol, I was referring to Grahame "Mort" Brown & Bev Brock as per the article in AMC 76!

I have a bit of a hunch as to what actually transpired when the big banger was sold to the UK.. I reckon Mr Cleland wanted the bathurst winner & that's what he thought he was buying.. Certain people mocked up 25 as 05 and put it in a container, then have spent the years since covering it up. Brocky was pretty desperate to buy 25 back off John Farrell as he knew that he wouldn't be able to get the museum car back, he was then pretty desperate for PC to buy the car off Willie Van Wersch after Willie got it back to Australia.. Maybe Brocky saw the writing on the wall?

All due respect to Brocky of course, But the evidence kind of paints a picture doesn't it. He was far from the only one doing things like that to keep a race team going though! For example Dick Johnson did a similar thing with the "rock" car, convinced everyone it was screwed, got bailed out by Ford & the Australian population then repaired it and sold it and it raced til then end of group C...

Edited by Redzone, 06 November 2014 - 10:45 AM.