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[REDA9X]

where's the little black up upside down tri-angle?

More than likely fell off, it was only a decal

[Balfizar]

In the pics that Mort put up from the Bathurst Museum iin 2009, the Museum is telling us, by the sign they have up, saying, THIS IS THE REAL 05,

So is this. (Click on the photo to enlargen)

 

[Balfizar]

Since we are comparing paint

I don't care about the paint investigation, there is enough other evidence to prove which car is which

 

So now you want to use paint comparison when it suits you!

but dismiss the other paint anomalies out of hand?

Cheers

Balfizar

Edited by Balfizar, 21 March 2013 - 09:59 PM.

[Mort]

FFS, 9 frOcken pages in and still going round in circles, if PC has admitted he has 25 and it's proven that 05 is at the Bathurst museum why the frOck is this horse still being flogged.

I say lets all agree to disagree and get on with our own beloved cars ( toranas, minis, fords, etc).

[REDA9X]

I don't care about the paint investigation, there is enough other evidence to prove which car is which

 

So now you want to use paint comparison when it suits you!

but dismiss the other paint anomalies out of hand?

Cheers

 

Bal

 

 

 

I don't care about the paint investigation, there is enough other evidence to prove which car is which

 

So now you want to use paint comparison when it suits you!

but dismiss the other paint anomalies out of hand?

Cheers

Balfizar

Hardly anything to do with the paint investigation of paint thickness, I'm simply comparing pictures of the car from now and 1984. But if you had bothered to actually read the thread, you'd see I posted that long before you came along back in 2009.

Yep Mort, you're right, I'm over it, I think we just have another richo here.

FFS, 9 frOcken pages in and still going round in circles, if PC has admitted he has 25 and it's proven that 05 is at the Bathurst museum why the frOck is this horse still being flogged.

I say lets all agree to disagree and get on with our own beloved cars ( toranas, minis, fords, etc).

[eyepeeler]

Can someone change the topic name to 25 in the UK. I don't mind as it was my photo that was posted originally. Would seem somewhat appropriate now.

[A9X]

[orangeLJ]

I think that last photo lot of Reds (from way back in the thread) should be the final bullet in the horses skull...

 

 

Paint chips arent something people would be able to clearly replicate, even so, they would very likely get them wrong.....

 

And Balfizar,

 

Stand above your car with a factory finish, using a fluro light and take a photo of the guard to bonnet area.

 

I bet you the panels look a different shade of the same colour when put together...

 

A camera works off reflected light and the angles of the panel as well as the location in direct correlation to the lense/sensor will always produce different colours. (my orange LJ will look pink in some lighting...)

[orangeLJ]

ohhh, and I bet you never knew brock drove in blue for one show, special edition, to raise awareness for horse beating?

 

[REDA9X]

ohhh, and I bet you never knew brock drove in blue for one show, special edition, to raise awareness for horse beating?

 

 

 

It's funny you show that because another car in the PC collection, this one below

 

http://www.champions...6_holden_LX.htm

 

is actually this car

 

[Neils LX]

VH mirror, black writing on windscreen any help? https://cache.gmh-to...ll/IMG_0225.jpg

 

[Statler]

I'm bored now. Where's the remote control?

[Balfizar]

VH mirror, black writing on windscreen any help? https://cache.gmh-to...ll/IMG_0225.jpg

 

 

Neil, there are at least 2 photos of the "commodore" windscreen banner lifting, Wanneroo and Surfers Paradise(rain).  It was a consumeable.

And If I am seening correctly which some people doubt! I would say that the commodore banner on the photo you have includes is not installed correctly

or as per normal HDT practise. (banner tucked under the windscreen rubber around the edges) which indicates it is NOT original!

I would also say that from what I can see I would think that the car has had a complete respray:-

no damage or road rash that I can see anywhere.

Drivers names have been replaced.

Front air dam  re-sign written with Bill lee

Marlboro replaced with Parker motors

Bonnet resprayed and marlboro removed and 52 added

Roof - 52 added

Not Harvey lights we know where they are now.

Not Harveys Grill we know where that is know.

Not Harveys air dam, this one does not need tape to hold it on (or it has been repaired or replaced)

 

Both 05 and 25 ran white commodore banners at sandown and only at bathurst and after was 25 wearing a black banner, HDT had a stock of them.

I don't think HDT ever used the black or white (on a red background) banners on any race cars after 1984. (Red/White/Black were Marlboro sponsorship colours)

comments from evan green when Harvey got punted at hell corner was "Harveys off"  and "Harveys hit the wall" later race images show little if any front or

rear damage on the drivers side, If there was any contact I would say the mirror would make first contact. However, Parsons has his mirror at the checkered Flag and it looks fine.

Mirrors would have been a consumeable on a race car, if brock kept his preferred "AERO" sports mirror, what would they have replaced it with.  I would say keep the VK spare mirrors that came off the car

because they are ongoing to the new group A cars and use the old stock (VH)

 

I am sure you and others will tell me where I am wrong!

 

Cheers

Balfizar

(PS Neil, you know about the glass don't you!)   

Edited by Balfizar, 23 March 2013 - 10:26 PM.

[enderwigginau]

As it happens, turns out you are wrong.....that banner is tucked under rubber.

And you need to spend more time racing. The most common way to lose a mirror is door rubbing......more often than not when you hit a wall or other barrier, it's with a corner of the car, sometimes with more than one corner, and the side of the car is relatively unscathed.

Obviously you know little about the rest of the investigations, or worse choose to ignore that information.
Are you just regurgitating someone else's conspiracy theory from another forum, or do you actually know any of this stuff?
I find it very distasteful that you would out-of-hand discount the word of so many people who were involved at the time, many very respectable and knowledgable, including the previous owners.......esp. those who raced the car, as they would have had the log book with the full history and know exactly what they had.....and never misrepresented it......

Grant..

[REDA9X]

You're wasting your time Grant

[Potta]

according to PC , this is the real deal...

http://www.champions...4_holden_VK.htm

 

 

From the website; 

 

 

Pre-investigation I believe.

[wot179]

Its only a Commodore...

[Balfizar]

Well its been a while!

 

But there are new developments in this saga that would require the zealots to totally ignore as well

for they would not easily come up with an explaination.

 

Well the incidentals of:-

Harveys Headlights

Harveys grill

dramatically different paint fading across multiple panels

repainted rear quarters (both) + signwritten HDT logos

repainted rear bumper

Stickers in the HDT logo (bonnet and boot)

repainted Marlboro logos (which could not be found by paint gauge)

to name a few have been summarily dismissed.

Add these to the list of things to ignore.

Its not the instrument panel that Brock had at Sandown

its not the roll cage that was in the build article (05)

Its a VK Calais door (front door drivers side) on the untouched, unrepaired, as raced NMRM 05

the front drivers side door has signs of a "VH" rear vision mirror having been fitted at some stage. (screw hole skuff marks on the "VH" mounting holes")

 

Any chance of logical debate on this or will the zealots try and shut it down again?

 

Can you pick who will fly into this thread and try and divert from rational discussion? I can,

 

Cheers

Balfizar

[REDA9X]

Talk about flogging a dead horse. Heres a bloke who wants a logical debate then calls anyone who doesn't agree a biblical name.

Case closed anyway, the proof is out there and the log books for these two cars reflected chassis 6 as 05 and chassis 7 as 25, thats a fact right from the person who was in possession of the log books for both cars.

Case closed

[Balfizar]

Talk about flogging a dead horse. Heres a bloke who wants a logical debate then calls anyone who doesn't agree a biblical name.

Case closed anyway, the proof is out there and the log books for these two cars reflected chassis 6 as 05 and chassis 7 as 25, thats a fact right from the person who was in possession of the log books for both cars.

Case closed

 

That didn't take long did it RED? LOL. (case closed)

 

"Heres a bloke who wants a logical debate then calls anyone who doesn't agree a biblical name." NO, just those that would shut the discussion down with sweeping statements that are unfounded.

 

when you can't debate the findings shut it down withn a he said / she said - not good enough!

 

I guess you must be talking about Harvey, he did the HDT/CAMS liasion and would have been the only one in possession of both the logbooks before the cars separated.

By the way CAMS have no record of the chassis number of the NMRM 05 and cannot relate that to a HDT chassis number. So where did your info come from?

The proof that you talk of has more holes in it than a swiss cheese.

 

Cheers

Balfizar

[Redzone]

Have you joined the bertiestreet.com forum & had a look at the investigation for yourself Balfizar?