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new suspension modification laws for NSW
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Posted 16 July 2009 - 03:10 PM
some pretty harsh laws being introduced by the looks of it
http://www.news.com....6-29277,00.html
http://www.rta.nsw.g...09_carhoons.pdf
http://www.news.com....6-29277,00.html
http://www.rta.nsw.g...09_carhoons.pdf
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Posted 16 July 2009 - 03:17 PM
^^^
The 2nd one... I hate how they refer to them as "car hoons"
It's like saying all people who take photographs of kids at the park are pedophiles... Its defamatory and wrong.
Are these laws saying any car built after the 1st of August, can only be lowered 5cm?
How will they know how high every car was from factory? What is wrong with the 100mm rule? That is easy to understand, and easy to govern... They have a rolly thing they can test to see how high a car is.... How will they govern this? Will they have a massive book that has the standard height for every car every made?
The 2nd one... I hate how they refer to them as "car hoons"
It's like saying all people who take photographs of kids at the park are pedophiles... Its defamatory and wrong.
Are these laws saying any car built after the 1st of August, can only be lowered 5cm?
How will they know how high every car was from factory? What is wrong with the 100mm rule? That is easy to understand, and easy to govern... They have a rolly thing they can test to see how high a car is.... How will they govern this? Will they have a massive book that has the standard height for every car every made?
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Posted 16 July 2009 - 03:19 PM
that is absolute crap.
how on earth did this go un noticed while being proposed and passed by the govt?
5cm is what, 2 inches?
What about people with lift kits for their 4x4s for offroading and such on weekends.
what about cars that are already lowered past the limits? how does it work with them, do they have to now go spend money to raise their car?
how on earth did this go un noticed while being proposed and passed by the govt?
5cm is what, 2 inches?
What about people with lift kits for their 4x4s for offroading and such on weekends.
what about cars that are already lowered past the limits? how does it work with them, do they have to now go spend money to raise their car?
Edited by orangeLJ, 16 July 2009 - 03:20 PM.
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Posted 16 July 2009 - 03:24 PM
so what happens when you have 5 fat people in a car are they going to book them?
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Posted 16 July 2009 - 04:50 PM
NSW must be really broke.This should grab a few extra bucks what with the extra fines and the gst on engineers report fees.
Ive had enough.
Im not taking it any more.
Im running for Premier.
Vote 1 for unlimited vehicle modifications.
Anybody want to jump on the gravy train and be one of my ministers?
Choose your own portfolio.
Ive had enough.
Im not taking it any more.
Im running for Premier.
Vote 1 for unlimited vehicle modifications.
Anybody want to jump on the gravy train and be one of my ministers?
Choose your own portfolio.
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Posted 16 July 2009 - 04:55 PM
The terminology is sensationalist for sure. It is a bit amusing that many years ago we used to raise the rear end of a car to make it look cool. Now todays young drivers do the opposite.
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Posted 16 July 2009 - 04:57 PM
So it's OK if i fit coil overs to my vehicle as long as i dont adjust the ride height.
I've got a mate up here in QLD who fits mod plates ( blue tags ) for a living, & he has told me in the past that any 4wd fitted with a lift kit is unroadworthy unless the kit was made & stamped by the vehicle's manufactures..
Wayne
I've got a mate up here in QLD who fits mod plates ( blue tags ) for a living, & he has told me in the past that any 4wd fitted with a lift kit is unroadworthy unless the kit was made & stamped by the vehicle's manufactures..
Wayne
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Posted 16 July 2009 - 09:24 PM
Not going against waht your mate says OLC383, but 2" suspension and 1" body is legal.
Just dont tell them dad has 3" suspension in the jeep and 3" suspension and 2" body in the patrol (both blue plated)
Just dont tell them dad has 3" suspension in the jeep and 3" suspension and 2" body in the patrol (both blue plated)
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Posted 16 July 2009 - 10:43 PM
So it's OK if i fit coil overs to my vehicle as long as i dont adjust the ride height.
I've got a mate up here in QLD who fits mod plates ( blue tags ) for a living, & he has told me in the past that any 4wd fitted with a lift kit is unroadworthy unless the kit was made & stamped by the vehicle's manufactures..
Wayne
coil overs need engineering so there is not a problem with height.
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Posted 17 July 2009 - 01:15 PM
revenue raising for sure 
. Another joke law from wankers in govt. and the small majority that ruin it for everybody else. If people just went about things legally to begin with we wouldnt have any of this stuff even coming up.
. Another joke law from wankers in govt. and the small majority that ruin it for everybody else. If people just went about things legally to begin with we wouldnt have any of this stuff even coming up.
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Posted 17 July 2009 - 01:29 PM
might see a rise in airbag technology sales now....
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Posted 17 July 2009 - 01:40 PM
Anything for a Buck...
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Posted 17 July 2009 - 08:16 PM
might see a rise in airbag technology sales now....
Wish.
There illegal in QLD AFAIK.
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Posted 18 July 2009 - 07:21 AM
What an absolute crock of sh#t
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Posted 18 July 2009 - 10:33 AM
I think if you read between the lines this is aimed at some P plater getting a 2009 Commodore in ten years time and dropping it 4 or 5 inches, not a 40yr old Torana with sensibly lowered suspension. Just my 2cents.
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Posted 18 July 2009 - 07:54 PM
Quote from New South Wales Roads Minister Michael Daley "It can affect handling, braking and safety features such as electronic stability control."
Gotta get some of that ESC stuff on the UC
Gotta get some of that ESC stuff on the UC
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Posted 18 July 2009 - 08:19 PM
What a load of shit. lets see some stats on how many acidents are caused by people who have improved their suspension.
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Posted 18 July 2009 - 08:26 PM
If it gets all these idiots off the road who drive around in old jap utes with the arse dragging on the ground and headlights
that blind you at night (because the back is so low), well , I'm all for it...how can those pieces of crap be legal ?
that blind you at night (because the back is so low), well , I'm all for it...how can those pieces of crap be legal ?
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Posted 23 July 2009 - 09:33 PM
PRESS RELEASE
AAAA: New NSW Government suspension regulations a farce
In an attempt to hamper modifications made by �car hoons�, on 16 July the NSW Minister for Roads Michael Daley announced changes in regulation that will cause havoc for both the automotive industry and thousands of drivers on NSW roads with minor, currently legal suspension modifications.
The Australian Automotive Aftermarket Association (AAAA) is outraged by this poorly conceived new regulation. The AAAA is the national industry association representing over 1250 manufacturers, distributors, wholesalers, importers and retailers of automotive parts and accessories, tools and equipment.
The Minister announced the new regulation in a media statement headed �Tough new rules for car hoons� and said the regulation will take effect from 1 August 2009. The regulation will mean that virtually all suspension modifications and wheel and tyre upgrades will require certification by authorised engineers.
AAAA Executive Director Stuart Charity said this announcement shocked both the industry and driver groups alike. �The industry has worked closely with governments nationally for many years to develop and promote vehicle modification guidelines designed to meet appropriate road safety requirements,� said Stuart Charity. �The industry is alarmed at this unilateral and unreasonable announcement.
�Neither the industry nor key driver advocacy groups have been consulted regarding this new regulation. No consideration has been taken of the impact that this proposed regulation will have on the wide range of road using industries that must make suspension modifications to their vehicles to improve safety and load carrying capability. Among these roads users are the building, construction, mining and rural industries.
�In addition, there are thousands of private vehicle owners that make suspension modifications to tow their animals, boats and caravans, or simply to improve vehicle handling across a range of driving conditions,� he said.
Unproven assumptions
Stuart Charity said the Minister, or his advisors, made untrue assumptions about the facts of suspension modification and in the language used to announce this proposal.
�Firstly � and unbelievably � they assumed that if you modify the suspension on your vehicle, you are a �car hoon�. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that this is fact. Recent AAAA research actually revealed that about 80% of the end users of modified suspension are aged between 26 and 49 years of age. Owners of 4WD vehicles are one of the largest groups making aftermarket suspension modifications and 66% of them are aged between 36 and 49 years. So, the major users of aftermarket suspension modifications are not the 18 to 25 years old high risk group. We also know that �hoon drivers� are only a small portion of the 18 to 25 years old group.
�Secondly, they assumed that if suspension modifications are tougher to access, then there will be less hoon behaviour on NSW roads. The reality is that those who behave illegally on the road are also likely to make illegal suspension alterations.
�A third issue is many of the modifications outlined in the Minister�s press release that will require engineering approval, are legal in every other state in Australia, making this �NSW only� scenario unworkable.
�Finally, the automotive aftermarket industry is totally dismayed at the arrogance exhibited by this announcement. This industry has an annual turnover of $5 billion, exports of $600 million and employs 30,000 people. In NSW, the AAAA membership is 400 companies employing 8,000 people. The AAAA enjoys close working relationships with NSW Government organisations, including the Road Transport Authority, which appears to have ignored an independent engineers report on the improved safety performance of suspension lift modifications submitted in June 2009.
�Given that the automotive aftermarket invests significant resources to ensure that road safety is paramount in the design, engineering and performance of aftermarket products, it is impossible to understand how the industry�s long term contribution could be ignored on this occasion.
�The real issue is that in trying to target �car hoons�, the NSW Minister has attacked the wrong �cause�. Hoon driving is a driver behaviour issue. It is not a vehicle suspension issue, or even a vehicle modification issue.
�We call on the Minister to immediately withdraw this ill-conceived, unworkable regulation and to engage in appropriate stakeholder consultation with a view to developing common sense laws that have the support of key industry and driver groups,� said Stuart Charity
AAAA: New NSW Government suspension regulations a farce
In an attempt to hamper modifications made by �car hoons�, on 16 July the NSW Minister for Roads Michael Daley announced changes in regulation that will cause havoc for both the automotive industry and thousands of drivers on NSW roads with minor, currently legal suspension modifications.
The Australian Automotive Aftermarket Association (AAAA) is outraged by this poorly conceived new regulation. The AAAA is the national industry association representing over 1250 manufacturers, distributors, wholesalers, importers and retailers of automotive parts and accessories, tools and equipment.
The Minister announced the new regulation in a media statement headed �Tough new rules for car hoons� and said the regulation will take effect from 1 August 2009. The regulation will mean that virtually all suspension modifications and wheel and tyre upgrades will require certification by authorised engineers.
AAAA Executive Director Stuart Charity said this announcement shocked both the industry and driver groups alike. �The industry has worked closely with governments nationally for many years to develop and promote vehicle modification guidelines designed to meet appropriate road safety requirements,� said Stuart Charity. �The industry is alarmed at this unilateral and unreasonable announcement.
�Neither the industry nor key driver advocacy groups have been consulted regarding this new regulation. No consideration has been taken of the impact that this proposed regulation will have on the wide range of road using industries that must make suspension modifications to their vehicles to improve safety and load carrying capability. Among these roads users are the building, construction, mining and rural industries.
�In addition, there are thousands of private vehicle owners that make suspension modifications to tow their animals, boats and caravans, or simply to improve vehicle handling across a range of driving conditions,� he said.
Unproven assumptions
Stuart Charity said the Minister, or his advisors, made untrue assumptions about the facts of suspension modification and in the language used to announce this proposal.
�Firstly � and unbelievably � they assumed that if you modify the suspension on your vehicle, you are a �car hoon�. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that this is fact. Recent AAAA research actually revealed that about 80% of the end users of modified suspension are aged between 26 and 49 years of age. Owners of 4WD vehicles are one of the largest groups making aftermarket suspension modifications and 66% of them are aged between 36 and 49 years. So, the major users of aftermarket suspension modifications are not the 18 to 25 years old high risk group. We also know that �hoon drivers� are only a small portion of the 18 to 25 years old group.
�Secondly, they assumed that if suspension modifications are tougher to access, then there will be less hoon behaviour on NSW roads. The reality is that those who behave illegally on the road are also likely to make illegal suspension alterations.
�A third issue is many of the modifications outlined in the Minister�s press release that will require engineering approval, are legal in every other state in Australia, making this �NSW only� scenario unworkable.
�Finally, the automotive aftermarket industry is totally dismayed at the arrogance exhibited by this announcement. This industry has an annual turnover of $5 billion, exports of $600 million and employs 30,000 people. In NSW, the AAAA membership is 400 companies employing 8,000 people. The AAAA enjoys close working relationships with NSW Government organisations, including the Road Transport Authority, which appears to have ignored an independent engineers report on the improved safety performance of suspension lift modifications submitted in June 2009.
�Given that the automotive aftermarket invests significant resources to ensure that road safety is paramount in the design, engineering and performance of aftermarket products, it is impossible to understand how the industry�s long term contribution could be ignored on this occasion.
�The real issue is that in trying to target �car hoons�, the NSW Minister has attacked the wrong �cause�. Hoon driving is a driver behaviour issue. It is not a vehicle suspension issue, or even a vehicle modification issue.
�We call on the Minister to immediately withdraw this ill-conceived, unworkable regulation and to engage in appropriate stakeholder consultation with a view to developing common sense laws that have the support of key industry and driver groups,� said Stuart Charity
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Posted 23 July 2009 - 10:42 PM
This is bullsh*t. This is just like the 'Fog light' law. Many cars come out from factory with modified suspension
I can understand it being illegal when P platers with min budget who cut or completely remove springs in their Gemini or VL Commo but most of us are genuine enthusiasts who do it to improve the cars safety and appearance.
I was defected 8 months ago when I had my beemer. I argued that their reading was incorrect and there was no way the car was too low. Bilstien everything which made the car stop, steer and get traction fabulously hence making it safer. Pic below...
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That look illegal to you?
I can understand it being illegal when P platers with min budget who cut or completely remove springs in their Gemini or VL Commo but most of us are genuine enthusiasts who do it to improve the cars safety and appearance.
I was defected 8 months ago when I had my beemer. I argued that their reading was incorrect and there was no way the car was too low. Bilstien everything which made the car stop, steer and get traction fabulously hence making it safer. Pic below...
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Posted 24 July 2009 - 07:56 AM
^^^ YEP, would go no where near minimum eyebrow measurements!
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Posted 24 July 2009 - 08:20 AM
There is going to be quite a bit of backlash over this one from all quarters. While I think the Authorities have tried to jump on the back of Anti-Hoon sentiments in the community, I think they've gone too far this time and also impinging on the 4WD owners.
The car enthusiast sector is pretty fragmented, so not sure that this will get up, but prove me wrong and sign the petition going around.
Car Enthusiasts against Car Lowering and Raising Laws
The car enthusiast sector is pretty fragmented, so not sure that this will get up, but prove me wrong and sign the petition going around.
Car Enthusiasts against Car Lowering and Raising Laws
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Posted 24 July 2009 - 08:24 AM
they should just do the basics, no home-cut springs no sh*tbox airbags.
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Posted 24 July 2009 - 09:10 AM
How do you apply these laws to an LH Torana with factory fitted rear air adjustable shocks?
Mwahahaha, imagine if they pulled up one of the air bag fitted cars. What height would you like it officer? ....pssshhhtt, there you go, it's no longer illegal? Could clear the defect there on the spot.
Just thinking out loud.
Mwahahaha, imagine if they pulled up one of the air bag fitted cars. What height would you like it officer? ....pssshhhtt, there you go, it's no longer illegal? Could clear the defect there on the spot.
Just thinking out loud.
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