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#201 _Big T_

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Posted 18 May 2011 - 09:00 AM


You wont find much that says "GM has not produced a Chev engine since xxxx. All the engines produced since xxxx are GM Powertrain". You need to read between the lines and look at the dates that GM consolidated its operations. Wiki is a good source as well but wiki being wiki its hard to back up the data as being gospel.

At the end of the day you will have a hard time trying to convince people anyway. If they have made up their mind they wont listen to reason and you will just end up flogging a dead horse. Having knowledge is one thing, trying to change the world with that knowledge is another thing entirely :-)



your plucking at straws
gm may be the enity of it all but it's still a division of chev....in a sense
who really cares anyway?
it's a v8 and we get to enjoy it
are you also saying any 304 produced after 1988 is not a holden motor?
as they did the same thing back in the day


GM is not a division of chevrolet at all. Chevrolet is a brand of General Motors, as is Holden, Buick, Pontiac, Vauxhall and a host of other brands. The V8 engines fitted to these cars are not brand specific, they are all GM Powertrain products. You can not buy a brand new Chev engine, nor can you buy a brand new Pontiac engine etc. You can however buy a brand new GM Powertrain engine which is fitted to these brands.

In regards to the Holden 304. The last locally produced V8 rolled off the production line in June 1999. So no, I am not saying that the 304 produced after 1988 is not a Holden engine at all as it most certainly is a Holden engine.

"The Holden V8 is an overhead valve (OHV) V8 engine which was produced by Holden in Australia between 1969 and 2000. The engine was used initially in the Kingswood and Monaro model ranges; it was later utilised in the Torana and Commodore ranges. The final iteration, the HEC 5000i, was phased out in the VT I Commodore in 1999, replaced by the imported American GM-Powertrain Gen III V8. The engine continued briefly in the VS III Commodore utility which continued to be sold alongside the VT model until the VT/X-based Holden Ute referred to as the VU series debuted in 2000."

Like I said earlier, having knowledge is one thing, trying to change the world with that knowledge is another (as demonstrated above).

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Posted 18 May 2011 - 01:38 PM

i just thought it was some pretty interesting stuff. it would be good to find some solid evidence and dispel any myths once and for all.

doesnt really mean much, not trying to change the world i just want to be able to back up my opinion.

#203 _Big T_

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Posted 18 May 2011 - 02:13 PM

^ do your research mate. You will find enough evidence to support your argument. I did.

Have a look at page 22 of the following PDF http://www.chevrolet...heet_Camaro.pdf

It is the spec sheet for the current Camaro. Under "Important Info" the third section states:

"ENGINES. Chevrolet products are equipped with engines produced by
GM Powertrain or other suppliers to GM worldwide. The engines in Chevrolet
products may also be used in other GM makes and models."

That is on an official Chevrolet document. Hard enough evidence?

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Posted 18 May 2011 - 03:26 PM

as of 1988 holden engines where produced by the "holden engine company"
a seperte company to holden but only suppling one company...holden
you cannot say one thing to surrport your arguement then back it up with the same arguement :Headbang2:
yes it may be a gm powertain engine but what other makes of car does it go into?
hyundi? mazda? ford?
gm is the parent company so in essence it is a chev motor by default
taken from wikipideia
This involved the splitting of Holden into Holden's Motor Company (HMC) and Holden's Engine Company (HEC).[88] For the most part, car bodies were now manufactured at Elizabeth, South Australia, with engines as before, confined to the Fishermens Bend plant in Port Melbourne, Victoria. The engine manufacturing business was successful, building four-cylinder Family II engines for use in cars built overseas.[89] The final phase of the Commodore's recovery strategy involved the 1988 VN, a significantly wider model powered by the American-designed, Australian-assembled 3.8-litre Buick V6 engine.[76]


so from 1988 is a 304 a holden engine? or a holden engine company engine?
and why do they use the bowtie? this is a regestered trademark of chevrolet?

Edited by Quagmire, 18 May 2011 - 03:27 PM.


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Posted 18 May 2011 - 03:36 PM

ok just to clarify my point
it may be a gm powertrain engine ...fair enough they make it ....under contract to gm
but it will always be refered to as a chev,it's badged as a chev and that's what everyone thinks it is
a chev
so what about the 304?
what do we call that?
a hec v8???
and black and gold/coles/homebrand crud?
they make nothing
just repackage things(acually the maker packages things)
imo this is the same thing
it is made under contract to a company to thier specs etc and branded as such

Edited by Quagmire, 18 May 2011 - 03:39 PM.


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Posted 18 May 2011 - 03:53 PM

Who cares? On some cars chev badges look better, on others they dont. Everyone knows what car they really are and if they dont they wouldnt care.

I hate those 'my family' stickers.

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Posted 18 May 2011 - 04:01 PM

My Family, Frangipani's, MY OTHER CAR IS A ????, i hate them all. The worst thing is people who put them on their paint, rip them off then ask me to fix it!!!

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Posted 18 May 2011 - 04:48 PM

I hate those 'my family' stickers.


seen these i had a good chuckle, not game enough to get one though..

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/F-YOUR-FAMILY-Stick-Figure-Car-window-sticker-decal-/170561296995?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27b63eda63

#209 _Big T_

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Posted 18 May 2011 - 06:58 PM

Yeah alright quag you win. All LS engines are chevs and the bowtie badge has a right to be on holdens.

Im off to do replica of the Aussie Pride Torana with big arse V8 Supercar wing like the other Torana featured on this thread.

Later dudez,

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Posted 18 May 2011 - 07:37 PM

Be sure to post pictures tony! Put an ls1 and chev badges on/in too!

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Posted 18 May 2011 - 07:41 PM

And monster poof rims.

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Posted 18 May 2011 - 07:53 PM

it may be a gm powertrain engine ...fair enough they make it ....under contract to gm
but it will always be refered to as a chev,it's badged as a chev and that's what everyone thinks it is


hahahaha
So what's in the Corvette?
It doesn't say Chev on it does it?
And what do the commodores say?
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Not a bowtie in sight.

And what are the Alloytecs and others made here and in Canada?
They are not Chevs, they are not Holdens - they are GM engines produced for GM under contract.

No Chev has been built since Chevrolet (and Pontiac) cut up their moulds.........

#213 _Quagmire_

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Posted 18 May 2011 - 07:59 PM

http://en.wikipedia..../General_Motors
gmc = general motors chevrolet
same shit
same group of companies
so what do you order when you want parts?
a gm this? or a chev that?

Edited by Quagmire, 18 May 2011 - 08:00 PM.


#214 _Big T_

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Posted 18 May 2011 - 08:21 PM

^ LOL GMC = General Motors Company and they produce trucks, not cars. Keep floggin that dead horse dude, you never know, it might get up and gallop. :D

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Posted 18 May 2011 - 08:22 PM

GM owns many companies. They even have a small off-shoot company further down the line, that has a significant financial interest in a company that does Internet porn.

"I'll have a Ron Jeremy crankshaft, please!"

Seriously, LS engines aren't chevs. That's why it shits me when people put the bowtie on commodores.

A cars identity is not the engine itself, it's the whole package. You wouldnt put a ford badge on your Torrie simply because it has a 9" and a toploader, would you?

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Posted 18 May 2011 - 08:25 PM

You wouldnt put a ford badge on your Torrie simply because it has a 9" and a toploader, would you?


Why not? :dontknow:
Name and shame I reckon! :<_<:

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Posted 18 May 2011 - 08:33 PM

gmc = general motors chevrolet


And GMH = General Motors Holden
What is that meant to prove?

And the GMC badge itself is only used on pickups and trucks.......

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Posted 18 May 2011 - 08:33 PM

^ LOL GMC = General Motors Company and they produce trucks, not cars. Keep floggin that dead horse dude, you never know, it might get up and gallop. :D



oh shit sorry
so next time you want a new corrvette just walk into a gm dealership then?
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how bout a new crumpledoor spose you'll get one of those from hyundi or a saic dealership?
gees it's the same company
made in the same plant in detroit based on the old chev desgin

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Posted 18 May 2011 - 09:01 PM

well thats a good point. i also hate people that put porsche badges on their wrx's



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Posted 18 May 2011 - 10:39 PM


I hate those 'my family' stickers.


seen these i had a good chuckle, not game enough to get one though..

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/F-YOUR-FAMILY-Stick-Figure-Car-window-sticker-decal-/170561296995?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27b63eda63


There are quite a few cars running around here with those stickers on the back window, the my family ones and the f@#! your family ones.

#221 _Big T_

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 08:20 AM

I like this sticker

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 08:42 AM

This whole GM argument is silly guys. Let's just be happy it's a V8 and be done with it : P

As for GMC, my father in law has a 2004 GMC Sierra extra cab with a 6.6 litre turbo diesel V8 Duramax motor, yes, that's right, an Isuzu motor. It's freakin good, but considering this argument that's going on I find the irony here amusing : )

As for the ford badge for 9 inch and top loaders, that's hilarious!!!!! I love it. Let's face it, GM has nothing to go against a top loader or nine inch, so I think the ford badge idea should catch on : )

Chev badges on ANYTHING other than a chev is dumb. My opinion only, but I'm right : P

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 09:06 AM

That is a great sticker Big T. Might have to get one.

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 10:08 PM

Who cares? On some cars chev badges look better, on others they dont. Everyone knows what car they really are and if they dont they wouldnt care.

I hate those 'my family' stickers.


Chev badges look good on Chevs, and only Chevs.

Agree about those "My Family" stickers. I never knew of them till I went up north over easter, we don't have them down here. Saw a few funny parody ones though!

Edited by doogs, 19 May 2011 - 10:09 PM.


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