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Posted 13 April 2006 - 05:47 PM




What is light weight about the L34? Whats different apart from the intrusionless doors?

As i said , quickslr the first lh 74 torrys witch the L34s were bassed on
were lighter then the models that followed it
thay were know as light wait body shells . not just in the doors but in
The boot two, there was less steel bracing

cheers........

I don't agree with that. Light weight shells didn't roll out till the A9X's. The L34 has an LH body shell, LH's didn't have anti-intrusion bars in the doors. Somewhere near the end of the LH the did reduce some metal from the boot area, but I think that was engineering (cost & production) improvements.

Dr. Terry, let me have a look on the weekend.

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Posted 13 April 2006 - 06:18 PM

I understand the rules Dangerous, direct that at the guys asking the q?

Sorry - slip of the fingers :fool:

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Posted 13 April 2006 - 10:22 PM

The L34 shell is not a lightweight shell, and the A9X sheels were not either, only SOME race cars

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Posted 14 April 2006 - 10:22 AM




What is light weight about the L34? Whats different apart from the intrusionless doors?

As i said , quickslr the first lh 74 torrys witch the L34s were bassed on
were lighter then the models that followed it
thay were know as light wait body shells . not just in the doors but in
The boot two, there was less steel bracing

cheers........

If the LH had lightweight bootlid why did they have a double skinned bonnet and the LX have a single skinned bonnet?

Thats more metal in an LH bonnet.

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Posted 16 April 2006 - 08:00 PM

If the LH had lightweight bootlid why did they have a double skinned bonnet and the LX have a single skinned bonnet?

Thats more metal in an LH bonnet.

Only late LXs had the single skinned bonnet.

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Posted 17 April 2006 - 06:32 PM

If the LH had lightweight bootlid why did they have a  double skinned bonnet and the LX have a single skinned bonnet?

Thats more metal in an LH bonnet.

Only late LXs had the single skinned bonnet.

Ive seen them from around 5/77 onwards. we'll call it LATE. :spoton:

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Posted 26 February 2007 - 08:52 PM

so do we have any more bidders on how much extra weight the intrusion bars add??

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Posted 10 March 2007 - 04:07 PM

the only doors I've seen withouth the bars are out of '74 models. I sourced a set after alot of looking around. You save about 6kgs per door.


What is light weight about the L34? Whats different apart from the intrusionless doors?

I was reading a tori mag a while ago and read that the race tori's went to extreme lengths to save weight. To the point where the welds were even cut back. Instead of a solid weld all the way down a join they would weld for 2 inches or so then leave a 2 inch gap and weld again. Surprising how much weight can be saved by cutting back on welds. Not that you could do it on a street car, well you could but if you had to get a road worthy Im sure they would not pass it. Things like intrusion bars were not used either as they had roll cages. They are more ways they saved on weight, I just cant remember.
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Posted 14 March 2007 - 12:11 PM

I gather the assumption here is that the late LX/Uc door is exactly the same as an LH door except for the intrusion bar.........maybe.........they may be other subtle differences that make up the overall design to meet the adr on resisting intrusion.
I have put four new doors on the UC recently and a trip to several wreckers revealed it was easy just to pick up the door, the difference being easy to feel....how much.....I have an LH door on the UC wreck which I could remove and weigh and compare with the UC doors ive replaced......but hasnt someone already done that?

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Posted 14 March 2007 - 02:02 PM

I was reading a tori mag a while ago and read that the race tori's went to extreme lengths to save weight. To the point where the welds were even cut back. Instead of a solid weld all the way down a join they would weld for 2 inches or so then leave a 2 inch gap and weld again. Surprising how much weight can be saved by cutting back on welds. Not that you could do it on a street car, well you could but if you had to get a road worthy Im sure they would not pass it. Things like intrusion bars were not used either as they had roll cages. They are more ways they saved on weight, I just cant remember.
GO TORIES!!! :rockon:

Don't think that's the case. Most welds on car bodies of that era were spot welds, in which no extra weld metal is added. The article was probably referring to the 'seam welding' on the race cars, where extra short welds were added along the body seams. This extra welding was not done on road cars.

They are intentionally short welds and not a continuous weld along the seam for two reasons - one being that the shell still needs to have some flexibility, or the actual sheetmetal may tear. The second is that if a weld develops a crack, it will eventually work its way through the entire weld. Much better to lose one short, small weld than one dirty great long contunuous weld.

Back in the '70's, racing was a lot less technical that today, and I'd doubt if any really big efforts were made to lighten the shells too much, apart from slightly lighter sheetmetal to make the panels, less paint, and deleting the body sealant. Then again, I've seen some aluminium front guards on some highly placed Group C Falcons, and have heard of aluminium doors and guards for L34s too. Looking back, maybe the driver's diets would have been the place to start :D

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Posted 14 March 2007 - 06:48 PM

Wow I haven't been in this thread for ages.

But those side intrusion bars are BLOODY heavy. I would estimate about 5-8kg difference between the driver's doors I have. Which would be a bigger difference on a hatch door.

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Posted 15 March 2007 - 02:30 PM

Wow I haven't been in this thread for ages.

But those side intrusion bars are BLOODY heavy. I would estimate about 5-8kg difference between the driver's doors I have. Which would be a bigger difference on a hatch door.

Yeh they are bloody heavy. As said earlier on in the thread, I did take the time to weight them but no one beleived me anyway. If there isn't a total saving of atleast 14kgs i'll eat my hat. I reckon more like 20kgs all up.

From memory (check the earlier post for exact figures) 5-6kgs on the front doors and 3-4 on the rears. All weighed on the same day at the same time, all doors where completely gutted of windows, rubbers and locks etc, with me standing on the scales holding them.




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