26 replies to this topic

[GML-31]

Ok, I cannot see any benefits of putting your cars info on a public forum. I personally have a collection of 7 cars and they wont be going on a site where it makes it easy for someone to collect numbers and remake tags. Have a think about it guys who is it actually benefiting? It is bad enough with reshells around why are we helping to make their jobs easier. Example someone rebuilding a car which is going to be a long resto puts his numbers up only to find when he goes for rego there is already a car with these numbers by a car done up to make a quick buck?
Not trying to make it a personal attack but Grant would you put your numbers from your GTR up for all to see??? If you answer yes you must be more trusting than I am.

I CAN understand if you want owners to just say I have a LX5000 in white etc... but not give out everything...

I will now have a bex and a lie down rant over.

[MRLXSS]

You make a good point. Maybe threads are locked and only a mod can approve (like for sale?) and then important numbers are removed.

[enderwigginau]

This would constitute a record for legal purposes should someone steal your details Kev.
And with confirmation, it just means the other car now needs to be inspected by ego or whoever.

Only those who want to should put anything up, if you want to keep details close hold, PM me or Datto, and only post what you are comfortable with, so long as the car is third party confirmed.

Grant..

[GML-31]

yeah but here we go again giving all the power of these cars to mods of a forum...sorry guys I dont trust anyone.

Why cant the register just have colour model and location and maybe options? Surely this would suffice. My objection is to giving the info to mods of a forum that dont have cars like this. I feel if anyone is going to collate all this it should be someone we vote on not just let all the mods of a forum sit on the info, what gives you more power over anyone else????

Edited by GML-31, 25 March 2010 - 02:05 PM.

[GML-31]

Oh by the way there is a couple of mods I would trust but I cant single anyone out.

[GML-31]

Grant this is my last comment, if you thought it is a good idea did you put Kelly's numbers up on the Cameo Gold register?
If you did as I said before you are braver than me. I just dont like people pushing ideas when they wont commit first to show no harm will be done by this.

[Joshua]

yeah but here we go again giving all the power of these cars to mods of a forum...sorry guys I dont trust anyone.

Why cant the register just have colour model and location and maybe options? Surely this would suffice. My objection is to giving the info to mods of a forum that dont have cars like this. I feel if anyone is going to collate all this it should be someone we vote on not just let all the mods of a forum sit on the info, what gives you more power over anyone else????

the register can't have just colour model and location, because then you have no unquie identifier.
because all the info except location would be the same. and then you'd have dup locations.
in a database you need an identifier, the forum has member numbers, and to a lesser extent usernames.
the rta, qt etc use VIN numbers, and for a torana register to work we would have to aswell.

as for the trust thing, well, some people trust some people others don't trust the same people, no one would ever be happy.

[GML-31]

well it seems to me one of the mods doesn't trust anybody either because they failed to register their car months ago.

[GML-31]

I dont lift my bonnet for that reason.

wasn't it a few years ago there was reports of people going around just taking shots of tags.

If you want a car verified before purchase there is sufficient car clubs out there with the knowledge without leaving a list open to all prying eyes.

My biggest concern is there is alist of cars made that only a few are privy too, what happens if one of these go bad and just start crossing off cars listed and say oh well I cant make that one its accounted for?

There is a court case pending currently where it seems there is problems with a few group C cars, even Bowdens have been stung by so called trusted people.

My advice to owners, you dont need to list them we know what we have, to buyers contact a local torana club where they can assist you in your purchase.

If I owned a LC or LJ and had put my numbers up for all to see I would be worried with the threat of new shells arriving soon. Also remember there is a VIN disc circulating ... very easy to find out which cars are missing and easy to replicate. The DODGY tag thread is really the only way to stamp out fakes.

Edited by GML-31, 25 March 2010 - 07:10 PM.

[Mort]

Any chance of removing mine, Kev's got me all paranoid now.

I take onboard the points Kev has put up and only listed mine in good faith and never give identity theft a thought.

Hey it may never happen and it's not like i have a rare car like others may have but the thought of someone else copying the numbers and reshelling has made me think twice about posting them again.

I'm not worried about members, just worried there might be (for want of a better word) a baddie casing the joint.


Mort

[its Paul]

I have the same concern as Kev, not that its an A9X, just a V8 SS, but its mine and couldn't handle it if any one else stole it or its identity.
I would open my bonnet at a show but the numbers would be covered.
Cheers.

[GML-31]

My intention here was to point out that not everyone on any forum is there for the right reasons, why make it easier for them, you only have to listen to how many good cars are going missing at the moment to realise there are predators out there, imagine there interest when they see a user has a couple of nice cars .. over 6 months they could build a great friendship and find out your address and before you know it... it ends in tears.

[Mort]

Matt suggested XXXXX a few numbers at the end of the vin, do you think that might work, if they don't know the whole number then it would be a guessing game for the crooks and make it alot harder to copy.

Mort

[dattoman]

If you don't want to be on the list
Don't put your car there
And if its there and you want it off... PM me I'll take it off

I believe some people are way too paranoid but thats their right to be if they want
Especially when you consider all the numbers are out there whenever a car lists on just about every for sale site in Oz
And you guys are posting numbers left right and centre

So do as you see fit and feel safe with

[Mort]

PM sent.


Mort

[enderwigginau]

I agree with Datto. Many are happy to post other peoples numbers but want to keep theirs to themselves.

One problem is that the knowledge to check these cars IS NOT out there, even in the torana clubs. If a car appears correct, most "experts" and GMH will say they are fine. For example, there are still many an XU-1 afficianado who will tell you the all XU-1s had sprintmasters..........
And we all know there are now more GT Falcons than were produced!!

Many of the "trusted" people in the past are where the dodgy cars are coming from now - so I do understand the point. Targeting me won't get anywhere mate. I didn't start or suggest either of these registers, I just put em into place. The only one I suggested was SMP (These particular cars would be difficult to recreate as they were only a very small percetage of the whole, as with a few other model/colour combos.) - and if you look at that there is plenty of XXXXX89689, or vague location. For instance Kev, someone like you could put QLD as location, and I'm sure most would be happy with that.

These exist to get a picture of what is still out there and keep track of the real cars (hence confirmations) so if someone pops up with a dodgy or your numbers, then it's easier to pick em, and that info can be forwarded to the police. Much of the information being asked for is due to the fact it IS NOT available - like breakdowns of colour/trim/model spec that may in the future aid in putting a realistic value to the vehicles. If sstorana wasn't too busy I would nominate him as the safe doorkeeper of much of this info.

As has been said, it's a trust thing. I have many friends all across the country who have no doubt about my own personal integrity, and I have had the priviledge of going to see (and being told about) many very rare and valuable cars. These people all know I would not divulge any information regarding their vehicles or locations (other than vague relations - "an XXX car in Perth/Adelaide/etc") unless they are happy to pass that info on. I also quite often receive enquires about cars/tech etc from various sources incl. SM, and some people have been lucky enough to be tapped on the shoulder to aid these people/groups for correct info, as I don't pass on info that I don't know to be 100% true - go to the source when you don't know is my motto. I very much enjoy the chats I have with certain members who don't spend too much time here anymore but still want me to be involved in all the exciting things they are doing. I also have alot of faith in some people (even some I butt heads with) who others may not see in the same light, not knowing them the same as I do.

Unfortunately some people are too quick to trust in this day and age, and similarly, some don't show their true colours until you've known em for a while. Do your best to do your best people. If there is consensus on a "How" with regard to say, a keeper of the key, lets do that. This is YOUR forum, some of us just spend a lot of time here kicking our heals in the dirt waiting to help you out.

Grant..

PS. "My car" is an LX S Sedan in Papaya. Continuously registered since built, Vic to NSW to QLD. Let me know if you want the numbers. I will not and do not post other peoples numbers unless advised by the owners. I don't appreciate the (possibly misplaced) innuendo in this thread that I may be dodgy, when we both know people who are or have been in the past..........If I had two bob to rub together, my mates know that's not the route I would follow - and originality is not my stock in trade.

[GML-31]

was never meant as a personal attack on you Grant but what I was leaning towards is Kelly owns a GTR but both of you have reneged on posting numbers up here, there must be a reason for this? I will never divulge my details on a forum like this, if however a register was to be made by a government regulated office I would probably register them. What I also realise is this forum is controlled by a private consortium, unlike a club with officials nominated and elected to office. So how are we to know that somehow the information is not likely to be on sold or passed onto mates? What you also must realise if this is to be done properly it must be maintained by someone in a capacity to offer a certificate to verify such vehicles otherwise it really serves no purpose.
My final point is any topics that you feel are negative are quickly closed and forgotten about, this topic of posting numbers in my view is just as detrimental to the forum and should have been dealt with just as quickly. It in my opinion is not in the members best interest to have their numbers displayed for all to see and if I was a mod it would have been removed as quickly as some of the other topics.
You know where I live if you want to speak about it.