Is an Alloy cage in a Street car a bit wanky?
#1 _UCV80_
Posted 16 April 2010 - 09:32 AM
I put it in my car back when I was about 19. I'm thinking of either getting rid of it or painting it black to blend in and maybe some thinner foam.
What do you guys think about alloy roll cages in street cars?
#2 _Skapinad_
Posted 16 April 2010 - 09:34 AM
ohh and the car needs to be pretty bloody quick (whether the cage would be effective in a crash doesnt matter). As long as a taxi cant smash ya off the lights... !!!!
Edited by Skapinad, 16 April 2010 - 09:36 AM.
#3
Posted 16 April 2010 - 09:52 AM
Howard has an alloy cage
But it was put in 20 odd years ago when it was a period mod and thats what was available
Steel for me
#4
Posted 16 April 2010 - 10:04 AM
But painted black and hidden is more acceptable.
#5
Posted 16 April 2010 - 10:37 AM
I prefer to think of them as cheap insurance.
I had a 1/2 alloy cage in this....
Clearly the accident wasn't our fault, but i believe the cage was the only thing that stopped ^ from becoming a whole lot worse! The impact moved the nosecone around on the bolts about 3-5mm! It was only a 60kph shunt! Without the cage, the parcel shelf would have bent a lot more than it did.
I originally installed the cage because of the sunroof. Bloody glad i did!
So....i've seen the benefits of having a 1/2 cage in a car.
I never hesitated in installing a 1/2 cage in the next car.
Is it a wank???.....i dont think so!
#6
Posted 16 April 2010 - 10:44 AM
#7
Posted 16 April 2010 - 11:20 AM
Edited by myss427, 16 April 2010 - 11:21 AM.
#8
Posted 16 April 2010 - 12:01 PM
its a bit wanky to have one in a street car and especially because its alloy and not steel.
What difference would the material make as to whether or not it's wanky?
I's always go the alloy regardless to keep the weight down.
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#9
Posted 16 April 2010 - 12:51 PM
Each to their own, I don't think it's a wanky thing, but I guess I might be a bit of a wanker. Regardless it's much better than a non-functional bonnet scoop hehehe
#10 _UCV80_
Posted 16 April 2010 - 01:02 PM
I think ill pull it out and paint it satin black and get new padding,
The picture above is some serious damage, It is a good safety thing. I think it helps a little with chassis twisting too.
I cant do 10's so i guess alloy is ok. steel is needed to do sub 11's that's why the material changes things
I do have over 400hp so a cage would be acceptable
Paint and padding should fix the problem
#11
Posted 16 April 2010 - 01:12 PM
Painting it black will not change that.
#12
Posted 16 April 2010 - 03:41 PM
#13 _AD_75_
Posted 16 April 2010 - 04:06 PM
Edited by AD_75, 16 April 2010 - 04:09 PM.
#14 _UCV80_
Posted 16 April 2010 - 05:34 PM
Looks like my cage wont be wankey after all, I have no need for an ANDRA or CAMS approved cage.
After its coated, whos to know its alloy.
#15
Posted 16 April 2010 - 05:45 PM
Looks like my cage wont be wankey after all, I have no need for an ANDRA or CAMS approved cage.
Anything would be better than nothing as Col has pointed out.
#16
Posted 16 April 2010 - 05:50 PM
^ Because of strength mate. They don't even certify alloy cages any more.
So in a roll-over are they just cosmetic?
I don't understand the concept totally, having them in the rear do they protect those in the back seat moreso or is the half cage enough to keep the front pillars from crumpling?
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Edited by StephenSLR, 16 April 2010 - 06:01 PM.
#17 _Herne_
Posted 16 April 2010 - 06:14 PM
I don't think that half roll cages in street cars are a wank assuming the car has some performance features.
^ Because of strength mate. They don't even certify alloy cages any more.
So in a roll-over are they just cosmetic?
I don't understand the concept totally, having them in the rear do they protect those in the back seat moreso or is the half cage enough to keep the front pillars from crumpling?
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However I don't honestly think those rear braces attached to the parcel shelf would offer much protection if any and could possibly make things worse.
I have a half cage here for my car but as yet unfitted as I am still trying to work out exactly where I will run the rear braces to.
Has anyone modified a half cage so as it mounts somewhere where it might actually do some good???
Cheers
Herne
#18
Posted 16 April 2010 - 06:46 PM
My racecar will have a half cage that doesn't mount to the parcel shelf.
And AD_75, you don't need a 'serious engine combo' to benefit from modifications to improve chassis rigidity, but points like that seem to get lost on a forum where everyone is just into straight line racing.
#19 _Yella SLuR_
Posted 16 April 2010 - 11:56 PM
Edited by Yella SLuR, 16 April 2010 - 11:57 PM.
#20
Posted 17 April 2010 - 11:59 AM
Viroads guidlines say a cage is permissable as long as it doesn't endanger the occupants. With no rear seats the only danger areas are the front bars if I fit a six-point - permissable if I follow guidelines and pad the bars.
Anyone fitted a cage for this or similar reason?
#21 _Bomber Watson_
Posted 17 April 2010 - 01:45 PM
#22
Posted 17 April 2010 - 02:27 PM
#23
Posted 17 April 2010 - 02:40 PM
Supposedly that's the reason why many hail-damaged cars are write-offs.
You can fix hail damaged cars and car sale companies sell them at discount without problems, it only damages the metal skin.
A write off is basically an insurance company classification, if it costs more to fix the car than what the car is worth they 'write it off' and pay you what you have the car insured for. Of course structural damage is considered to cost more to fix than what the car is worth.
Cars can be 'written off' by insurance companies yet still be structurally sound and roadworthy.
Lets say you insure a $500 bomb, someone comes along and 'keys' the car, it will cost more than $500 to respray the scratches - write off!
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Edited by StephenSLR, 17 April 2010 - 02:43 PM.
#24
Posted 17 April 2010 - 07:39 PM
#25
Posted 17 April 2010 - 09:23 PM
No... you can repair anything...
Removing the windscreen on a modern car upsets the structure more than fitting a sunroof
Since the screen is a structural part of the car nowdays
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