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[dattoman]

http://www.gmh-toran...&hl=shells&st=0

[S pack]

I have been informed that replacement body shells are a legitimate way of repairing a wreck. It still happens today. GMH can and will supply current production body shells in a current production colour of your choice. Approx $6000.00 AUD for a VY shell back in 2003. The identity of the wreck is transferred to the new body and rebuilt car must be presented with all documentation to transport dept for rego.
Back in the days of LC/LJ Torana's the shells came in primer only with no chassis No., no doors, boot or bonnet.
Was up to repairer to stamp chassis No. onto new shell. So if your car has a dodgy looking Chassis No. it may be a rebody.
A genuine body shell is classified and sold as a spare part.
However the repro body shells would probably not be so easy to register as the authorities would/should know they are not a genuine spare part. Easiest way to get around that would be if the car you want to rebody is currently registered. Just paint up new shell, swap over all the mechanicals, trim etc etc, put on your rego plates and drive away.

Some will say it's dishonest or immoral or fraud etc and I'm not saying wether I agree or disagree with it, just pointing out what some people would probably do.

I am confident that there are plenty of cars out there on the road or maybe even one in your garage that hasn't got the body shell it came from the factory with and you don't even know it. (Pre wrecks register of course).

PS: Don't choke on your beer and pizza but new LJ 82911 body shells cost only a few hundred bucks back in their day.

[glenn stanley]

If you google law link and then go to the legislation which covers the rebirthing of motor vehicles in NSW, it clearly defines items such as tags, chassis and engine number as "unique identifiers".

Unique identifiers can't be remade, sold, tampered with, modified or reproduced so hence it is illegal to rebody a car with another cars unique identifiers. There are no "ifs or buts", in relation to this so if anyone has decided to do that then please be aware of what you are doing is against the law in NSW. Further if you attempt to present the "object" as something it is not, then you fall under the NSW Crimes Act and commit deception offences.

With respect of a new body shell, then it, as a spare part should have it's own unique identifiers to show that it is infact a replacement part. Should a current owner of a vehicle of which it has been continually registered and not "a declared write off", then they may be able to use a new body shell on that vehicle as a restoration, but the process would have to be well documented and that NSW RTA and NSW police be involved with the process showing the old vehicle being repaired.

A "declared write off" is a vehicle that has been officially "written off" in an accident or theft, after a claim has been made on insurance or otherwise. Even if a vehicle has been crashed by its owner and not claimed on, it still can't just be rebodied with a new body without the knowledge of the NSW RTA.

The same goes for TAG's (unique identifiers) sold off vehicles. Once those TAGS are removed from the vehicle and the vehicle no longer exists those TAGS can't be used for any other purpose other than a bar display. The penalties under the legislation I mention above are very severe and the NSW Police go to great lengths to trace back the history of a vehicle that has been rebirthed, reporduced, sold as a genuine car or what when it is not. At some stage down the sale line a purchaser will cotton on to the fact the car is dodgy and then the shit fight begines with it coming all the way back t the person who tampered with the unique identifiers.

I hope that all makes sense.

Edited by glenn stanley, 08 May 2010 - 03:13 PM.

[glenn stanley]

I'm am sure if someone paid $100,000 for something it was not, then the coppers would be called in. Not so long ago a dodgy cop was also arrested after he had two cars that had "Unique identifiers" modified on a car. He is now sitting in long bay. There was an arrest in Bankstown last year of a group of people doing dodgy GT Falcons and the list goes on and on.

[2600s]

these new shells are absolutley bullshit and i am 100% against them. just a couple of people trying to rip Daisy Chains off just for a quick buck. they say they will be sold for parts only but why dont they just make the parts seperatly then? they will make more in the long run. all it's going to do is frOck everyone with real deal cars over.

What's wrong with replacements shells if your own car is farked?

I would rather spend the $$ and get brand new steel if it's built to the same specifications as the original, than spend thousands on panel beating and repairing rust that might "pop" it head back through the nice new paint job that's been applied!

Each one to their own but I know what i would do if my shell was "stuffed" and I could buy a new one.

Alf

Thousands of Dynacorn customers in the US would support my opinion!

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Edited by 2600s, 09 May 2010 - 08:34 PM.

[2600s]

so your saying that you wouldn't care if you had a rebody? thats just fukn stupid. maybe you should get a better panel beater. and as i said they should just make the parts seperatly therfore any car that is so called "stuffed" can be repaired

Mate, some cars out there have been stuffed and repaired because replacement shells havn't been available.
What I am saying is if they were to be made available those people undetaking a complete resto could make there own choice?

Only my opinion, no need to get all HOT under the collar.......

[bullitA9X]

yldlj i think a new body would be great as long as your not trying to pass it off as genuine im with 2600s i would rather have a replacement shell if they were available and im sure there would be ways of telling originals from replacement shells i think most of the people are only angry about new shells as they think people will be doing dodgy cars but hey there are some of us that are genuine and wouldnt do that so why should we miss out because there are dodgy people out there!! anyway they do it now with 2 door s shells so whats the difference????

[glenn stanley]

It doesn't matter if it is or ins't the real thing read below. Not withstanding that most of this relates to stolen motor vehicles f which what we are discussing here is not about, but Section (2) (d) at the bottom if this thread is the one that should concern most.




CRIMES ACT 1900 - SECT 154H
Making, using and interfering with unique identifiers


154H Making, using and interfering with unique identifiers
<P class=clause>

(1) A person who:

(a) dishonestly interferes with, or copies, a unique identifier, or

( possesses a motor vehicle or vessel, or a part of a motor vehicle or vessel, with the intention of dishonestly interfering with, or copying, a unique identifier, or

© dishonestly makes a unique identifier, or a purported unique identifier, or

(d) knowingly induces another person to accept any information attached to a motor vehicle, vessel or a part of a motor vehicle or vessel as a genuine unique identifier for the motor vehicle, vessel or part, when the information is not in fact a genuine unique identifier for that motor vehicle, vessel or part,

is guilty of an offence.

Maximum penalty: imprisonment for 7 years.

(2) For the purposes of this section, information is "attached" to a motor vehicle, vessel or a part of a motor vehicle or vessel if it is:

(a) marked on or attached to the motor vehicle, vessel or part, or

( marked on a thing attached to the motor vehicle, vessel or part, or

© stored in electronic form in a part of the motor vehicle or vessel.

(3) In proceedings for an offence against this section, if it is necessary to allege a person knowingly induced another person to accept information attached to a motor vehicle, vessel or a part of a motor vehicle or vessel as a genuine unique identifier for the motor vehicle, vessel or part, it is not necessary to allege that the accused knowingly induced a particular person to accept the information as a genuine unique identifier.

(4) In this section, a reference to inducing a person to accept information attached to a motor vehicle, vessel or a part of a motor vehicle or vessel as a genuine unique identifier includes a reference to causing a computer to respond to the information attached to the motor vehicle, vessel or part as if it were a genuine unique identifier.

(5) In this section:
"information" includes numbers, letters or symbols.

CRIMES ACT 1900 - SECT 154I
Possession of motor vehicle or vessel where unique identifier has been interfered with


154I Possession of motor vehicle or vessel where unique identifier has been interfered with
<P class=clause>

(1) A person who dishonestly has possession of a motor vehicle or vessel, or a part of a motor vehicle or vessel, a unique identifier of which has been interfered with, is guilty of an offence.

Maximum penalty: imprisonment for 5 years.

(2) For the purposes of this section, a person "dishonestly" has possession of a thing if:

(a) the person obtained or received the thing dishonestly, or

( the person intends to register, supply or use the thing dishonestly.



CRIMES ACT 1900 - SECT 154J
Possession of vehicle identification plate not attached to motor vehicle
154J Possession of vehicle identification plate not attached to motor vehicle
<P class=clause>

(1) A person is guilty of an offence if the person, without reasonable excuse, knowingly has possession of a vehicle identification plate not attached to the motor vehicle to which it relates.

Maximum penalty: imprisonment for 5 years.

(2) The onus of proof of reasonable excuse in proceedings for an offence against this section lies on the accused.

(3) In this section:
"motor vehicle" means a motor vehicle within the meaning of the Road Transport (General) Act 2005 (whether or not the vehicle contains the motor intended to form part of it).
"vehicle identification number" means a vehicle identification number allocated to a vehicle in accordance with the national standards under the Motor Vehicle Standards Act 1989 of the Commonwealth.
"vehicle identification plate" means a plate, label or other thing that has a vehicle identification number on it, is designed to be attached to a motor vehicle and which:

(a) enables the motor vehicle to be identified for the purposes of registration under a law of any jurisdiction, or

( includes information relating to the manufacture of the motor vehicle or compliance with the national standards under the Motor Vehicle Standards Act 1989 of the Commonwealth.

(2) For the purposes of this section, a "car or boat rebirthing activity" is an activity involving one or more of the following:

(a) the stealing of a <A href="http://www.austlii.e..._vehicle">motor vehicle or vessel or the receiving of a stolen motor vehicle or stolen vessel,

( the interference with a motor vehicle or vessel, or a part of a motor vehicle or vessel, or a unique identifier, for the purpose of concealing the fact that a motor vehicle or vessel, or any part of a motor vehicle or vessel, is stolen,

© the affixing of stolen parts to a motor vehicle or vessel,

(d) the interference with a unique identifier, being a unique identifier that wholly or partly identifies a motor vehicle or vessel for registration under a law of any jurisdiction, for the purpose of disguising or misrepresenting the identity of a motor vehicle or vessel,

I would say that section (2) (d) above covers it!

[bullitA9X]

is a bathurst racer worth less if its had a rebody? having a gtr that isnt a gtr would be wrong, but having an s or sl who gives a damn? the minority would be against this cos its a minority who have the rare cars. if there was a way to EASILY distinguish a new shell it would be ok as a spare right? recon the first tell tale would be the no rust.. anywhere...

spot on if you went to look at a torana that was like brand new no rust no panels been off or replaced im sure you would be suss if it was passed off as genuine so i think it can work in your favour aswell as old rebodied cars can be a lot harder to pick up on there would also be a number of ways to tell a new repo body from a genuine gmh one

Edited by bullitljv8, 10 May 2010 - 10:23 AM.

[meanmachine72]

is a bathurst racer worth less if its had a rebody?

take 24c for example... this car has been through 2 rebodys..so how can this car still be bonds racer??? it lost its true indenity when the first rebody took place in 10/72 this car to me is a
collection of date stamped components, the new owner failed to notice that its on it 3rd chassis number!!!
the new shells would need to be stamped in such a way with maybe a police number stamped on inner guard,I like all the new panels coming out but not keen on the shells...

[bullitA9X]

is a bathurst racer worth less if its had a rebody?

take 24c for example... this car has been through 2 rebodys..so how can this car still be bonds racer??? it lost its true indenity when the first rebody took place in 10/72 this car to me is a
collection of date stamped components, the new owner failed to notice that its on it 3rd chassis number!!!
the new shells would need to be stamped in such a way with maybe a police number stamped on inner guard,I like all the new panels coming out but not keen on the shells...

well for the price he paid you would hope the new owner of 24c knows