I have a blue mod plate on my car for a engine conversion (I needed it from going from the factory engine to 202 back when i got it registered...). I am about to get the V8 enginered and I have been told by the RWC bloke that once you get the plate for the bigger engine this can cover anything. IE the code on the plate say �IR60� for example, just means engine upgrade and doesn�t specifically say what engine�
Can anyone here confirm this? To me this doesn�t seem right as there are rules on capacity etc that would regulate what you can and cant use. Plus I think when I got this plate done the engineer wrote what engine it was in his paper work.
The V8 engineers approval is also just a blue mod plate.
My car is LC and I am in qld.
QLD transport - engine upgrade
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Posted 28 May 2010 - 11:22 AM
Your engine number would have been recorded when the blue plate was issued.
It will also be recorded with D.O.T.
Changing engines requires inspection by D.O.T.
Failure to do so is an offence. It may also void your insurance.
You should be able to fit another engine of the same capacity, but you still need the new engine number changed on your rego papers.
It will also be recorded with D.O.T.
Changing engines requires inspection by D.O.T.
Failure to do so is an offence. It may also void your insurance.
You should be able to fit another engine of the same capacity, but you still need the new engine number changed on your rego papers.
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Posted 28 May 2010 - 12:59 PM
Yes you will need a new Blue plate for a different engine unless it is exactly the same as what was removed, even a 5L V8 changed to a later model 5L V8 can require mod plating if the engines are manufactured years apart,this is due to the fact that you need to retain "all" the pollution gear from the later (cleaner emissions) engine.
For example i went from a 186 Turbo 6 (3 litre), to a RB30 Turbo 6 (also 3 litre) but needed a whole new mod plate as the RB30 required fitment of things like a Catalitic converter to be legal, a lot of people also dont realise that if you revert back to the factory engine (in my case a 173) you need "another" mod/blue plate to do so !
They may want to sight your car/engine and mod plate @ DOT
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Posted 28 May 2010 - 02:45 PM
As above - and the serial number on the plate references the engineers report that was filed (the bit of paper they fill in and walk away with after riveting in the plate 
) - so if they actually look it up, it won't match what you actually have, so new plate and new report required.
) - so if they actually look it up, it won't match what you actually have, so new plate and new report required.
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Posted 28 May 2010 - 04:11 PM
It is deemed that once a car has been engineered (and mod/blue plated) with a modification, then that is in effect, the way that vehicle has been designed and manufactured.
To modify a car from how it has been "designed/manufactured" to something else (even back to the way holden built it) still requires approval, and a new inspection and plate, and you can't just remove the old blue plate, it must remain along with the new one(even tho a lot of people do remove the plate,but remember it is still recorded at DOT)
Thats why its a good idea if you plan to get a mod plate for your eng,gearbox,diff,rollcage etc ,that you get them all mod plated at the same time so you can have them all on one blue plate, if you get them at different times you will have 4 mod plates because the 4 mod plates can not be removed and replaced with 1 later on.
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To modify a car from how it has been "designed/manufactured" to something else (even back to the way holden built it) still requires approval, and a new inspection and plate, and you can't just remove the old blue plate, it must remain along with the new one(even tho a lot of people do remove the plate,but remember it is still recorded at DOT)
Thats why its a good idea if you plan to get a mod plate for your eng,gearbox,diff,rollcage etc ,that you get them all mod plated at the same time so you can have them all on one blue plate, if you get them at different times you will have 4 mod plates because the 4 mod plates can not be removed and replaced with 1 later on.
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Posted 28 May 2010 - 07:07 PM
It will only be recorded at the transport if the fella who put the blue plate on, sends his paperwork in.
This very rarely happens. Approved persons are rarely/never audited. You may fly under the radar, but if the shite goes down, it can be traced back with the mod plates serial numbers.
What is written on your certificate?
The police are the only people allowed to remove blue plates.
This very rarely happens. Approved persons are rarely/never audited. You may fly under the radar, but if the shite goes down, it can be traced back with the mod plates serial numbers.
What is written on your certificate?
The police are the only people allowed to remove blue plates.
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Posted 28 May 2010 - 08:12 PM
Do mod plates HAVE to be put on your firewall? They are fairly ugly. Especially if you've spent a lot of time and money smoothing out your bay and getting it sexy.
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Posted 28 May 2010 - 10:10 PM
They just have to be easy to see/read, all the plates ive had in LH/LX/UC shape cars ive put on the vertical inner gaurd area just behind the front indicator (on a UC), you cant see them as you open the bonnet,but lean over the radiator and you can read them easy !
You can actually have them in the boot,door jam area,or other,as long as a person (police,DOT,insurace) can find and read it easy,and its attached to the main body of the car and not a removable panel.
Most people will look under the bonnet for a mod plate, if you dont have a show car and like to go to places that get "busted" ,the best way to avoid hassle is put your mod plate in the engine bay.
If you do have a show car, ask your engineer about other locations for mod plates,or even ask if you can fit it yourself with his guidance(by rights he is supposed to do it so he may refuse) also ask if he/you can get the plate profesionally engraved (instead of just scratching details into it with a scribe) and request the use of stainless steel pop rivets to attach the plate.
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You can actually have them in the boot,door jam area,or other,as long as a person (police,DOT,insurace) can find and read it easy,and its attached to the main body of the car and not a removable panel.
Most people will look under the bonnet for a mod plate, if you dont have a show car and like to go to places that get "busted" ,the best way to avoid hassle is put your mod plate in the engine bay.
If you do have a show car, ask your engineer about other locations for mod plates,or even ask if you can fit it yourself with his guidance(by rights he is supposed to do it so he may refuse) also ask if he/you can get the plate profesionally engraved (instead of just scratching details into it with a scribe) and request the use of stainless steel pop rivets to attach the plate.
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Posted 29 May 2010 - 07:20 AM
I was told by transport that they must be mounted as close the compliance plate as possible.
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Posted 29 May 2010 - 08:27 AM
Yep that is correct. So dont know how people got away with it in the boot? At work we usually put them on the door jams on the trucks as that is closest to the compliance plates. Also putting it on a radiator support is a big no as it is removable. I wonder if you dont like the look of them if you could make up a little cover for them out of painted metal/ally/stainless with a hinged bottom - sort of like a fuse box on new cars. That would look pretty trick. Could have a hose coming out of it so it looks like a catch tank or tank for some fluid and just pop it open and there are your plates.
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Posted 29 May 2010 - 04:57 PM
A few people have been nailed in the not too distant past for compliancing illegal mods and not submitting paperwork, so the above is incorrect. �Just because the busts are not advertised may indicate something for you. �Just because the cops/inspectors don't turn up to a workshop (in uniform anywayIt will only be recorded at the transport if the fella who put the blue plate on, sends his paperwork in.
This very rarely happens. Approved persons are rarely/never audited. You may fly under the radar, but if the shite goes down, it can be traced back with the mod plates serial numbers.
What is written on your certificate?
The police are the only people allowed to remove blue plates.
) doesn't mean you're not getting checked on.I also know of some plates floating around loose that used to belong to someone who is currently in gaol. �Suffice to say, if those numbers turn up, someone is in trouble.......
If the cops/inspectors are worried enough to check (and we now have a flying squad of skilled inspectors to attend vehicles at any hour of day or night, so that is more likely, as they can pull it from th computer inside their car), and no report shows up, bye bye car, summons to engineer.......
And if they don't write on the report while you are there or show it to you, there is a problem. �I had to talk my compliance guy through what actually had to go on it.
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Posted 30 May 2010 - 08:20 AM
Yes Grant, and while on the subject of paper work..... you are also required to carry/produce on request, your "Certificate of Modification" this is a little green bit of paper with its own seperate ID number (as well as blue plate number) plus has "all" the details of who/what/where, including a Description of Modification/s (in detail)
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Posted 30 May 2010 - 09:29 AM
Yep that is correct. So dont know how people got away with it in the boot?
Strangely enough, it was my engineer who suggested putting the blue plate in the boot!
Like some aspects of the modification... it all comes down to interpretation. While one inspector may insist that the blue plate be fitted in the engine bay, another may not.
It's a good question to ask your consulting engineer!
I would also like to add to this thread.... that the reason for fitting the blue plate is not only for compliance reasons, but also to inform the next owner of modifications done.
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Posted 30 May 2010 - 11:31 AM
The rules are pretty clear though, It must be mounted as close to the compliance plate as possible, which for a passenger car is in the engine bay 9 times out of 10 - hence why the blue plates are most often found in there.
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Posted 30 May 2010 - 01:01 PM
Thats funny to, mines mounted beside the DS headlight, cant see it unless you know its there, way away fromt he compliance plate.
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Posted 01 June 2010 - 06:24 PM
Yes Grant, and while on the subject of paper work..... you are also required to carry/produce on request, your "Certificate of Modification" this is a little green bit of paper with its own seperate ID number (as well as blue plate number) plus has "all" the details of who/what/where, including a Description of Modification/s (in detail)
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Steve,
there is no requirement for that anymore. �All certificates are saved digitally by Transport, so cops or inspectors can access them that way.
Good to have, but I didn't get one, and that was five years ago
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I was still issued a certificate for the RB mods Grant (less than 2yrs ago) although, i didnt actualy "ask" if i was still required to keep it in the car by law ?
I think i will still be keeping mine in the car regardless (well,when i have a car) just in case (as mentioned by nunganunga below) if the correct paperwork has not been submitted /lodged correctly by the engineer, it could save a bit of hassle on the side of the road, as it undisputedly identifies exactly what the plate is for !
I guess i would look at it the same way as.......sure, you may not have to carry a open drivers licence in QLD, but everyone knows if you get pulled up, its a sh*t load easier if you have it on you.
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I think i will still be keeping mine in the car regardless (well,when i have a car) just in case (as mentioned by nunganunga below) if the correct paperwork has not been submitted /lodged correctly by the engineer, it could save a bit of hassle on the side of the road, as it undisputedly identifies exactly what the plate is for !
It will only be recorded at the transport if the fella who put the blue plate on, sends his paperwork in.
This very rarely happens. Approved persons are rarely/never audited. You may fly under the radar, but if the shite goes down, it can be traced back with the mod plates serial numbers.
What is written on your certificate?
The police are the only people allowed to remove blue plates.
I guess i would look at it the same way as.......sure, you may not have to carry a open drivers licence in QLD, but everyone knows if you get pulled up, its a sh*t load easier if you have it on you.
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Posted 02 June 2010 - 09:24 AM
sure, you may not have to carry a open drivers licence in QLD
I thought that rule had changed also?
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Posted 02 June 2010 - 12:11 PM
sure, you may not have to carry a open drivers licence in QLD
I thought that rule had changed also?
I guess it depends on your own interpretation of should and must, open lic holders "should" carry licence, and provisional lic holders "must" carry licence at all times.
Below from The QLD Police service site..... http://www.police.ql...fety/licReg.htm
"If you are an open driver licence holder you should always keep your driver licence with you at all times when you drive and show it to a police officer upon request. If you do not have the open drive lience with you, you may be given 48 hours to produce the open driver licence to a police station nominated by the police officer. You may be fined if you do not do this".
As i understand it "should" does not mean you have to , and you "may" be fined if you dont produce it within 48hrs.
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Posted 02 June 2010 - 12:34 PM
That is an accurate definition of "should"
"should" is being removed from all governmental docs and legislation..............
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"should" is being removed from all governmental docs and legislation..............
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