I'm not a pimple on a painters bum!
I've never sprayed acrylic, but i have sprayed 2K.
Apart from my horrible technique, i thought it was quite easy! Good coverage, good result, & the paint seems to go a lot further.
I do my own prep, then take the car to a booth & pay a painter to color it in.
I think [just IMHO], that by the time you have etch & primed the car, you should know if you feel comfortable spraying the color.
Underside of boot/bonnet & door jambs are good practice panels. If you can get a good result doing that, then don't be afraid to tackle the outside.
If you have a go & stuff it up, you only have 1 person to blame.
first timer ( prep and paint )
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i tried searching the forum for any threads about body prep start to finish and sprayin acrylic from start to finish and found nothing any1 got any links to such items would be much appreciated..
Also i think ill stick to acrylic as i want to spray it at home and seems to be the direction most people are pointing me in......
Also i think ill stick to acrylic as i want to spray it at home and seems to be the direction most people are pointing me in......
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Posted 09 June 2010 - 12:00 PM
it's just my opinion.why sit there cutting it back forever to get a good finish when you could just clear it? it really isn't hard to do. by all means anyone wanting to have a go thats great. i just don't get why people are so against trying to use 2k.
IMO 2k is a top system in every way and almost every aspect it is superior to acrylic.
The reason I am so against 2k is if you don't have the correct PPE and a proper spray booth and contained area for rub down it WILL make you and the environment sick.
Just the rub down alone from the hi fill on one car was enough to kill a neighbours veggie garden including his orange tree.
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Posted 09 June 2010 - 04:42 PM
There are plenty of books available on the subject,too.
Heres some I prepared earlier.
http://www.amazon.co...s/dp/0879385235
http://www.themotorb...ling-books.html
http://dna-paints.co...intingbooks.htm
Its hard work,but incredibly satisfying to see the results of your labour.
Definitely have a go.
Heres some I prepared earlier.
http://www.amazon.co...s/dp/0879385235
http://www.themotorb...ling-books.html
http://dna-paints.co...intingbooks.htm
Its hard work,but incredibly satisfying to see the results of your labour.
Definitely have a go.
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Posted 09 June 2010 - 08:50 PM
can you paint doors with glass in them or does it have to come out..????
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can you paint doors with glass in them or does it have to come out..????
i just covered mine up tape and newspaper
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Posted 09 June 2010 - 10:58 PM
take them out it's alot better.
dirtbag thats the thing i am not a painter i'm a panel beater i have only sprayed a couple of times and i use 2k. thats what i am trying to get across i don't think it is that hard.
you do have to have a very clean enviroment but even if you do get dirt in your work all you have to do is cut the top off and give it a quick polish.
anyways good luck with the build mate
dirtbag thats the thing i am not a painter i'm a panel beater i have only sprayed a couple of times and i use 2k. thats what i am trying to get across i don't think it is that hard.
you do have to have a very clean enviroment but even if you do get dirt in your work all you have to do is cut the top off and give it a quick polish.
anyways good luck with the build mate
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Posted 09 June 2010 - 11:14 PM
can you paint doors with glass in them or does it have to come out..????
i just covered mine up tape and newspaper
butchers paper is a lot better!!!
still on my 1st roll and it's done 2 and a half cars so far
ok one for the paint gurus is the iso free 2 pack any safer for you or the enviroment than aycrlic?
imo aycrlic is easier to use (at home anyway) and safer if you don't have the correct ppe/booth to spray with but ??????
convince me lol
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Posted 11 June 2010 - 03:18 AM
convince me lol
Give it 10 years or so.
I believe it is all true what they say about it, your life, your call.
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Posted 11 June 2010 - 09:06 PM
lets talk about iso free clear
At my work the "touch up guy" paints cars in the carpark
a little sanding back, some primer then colour then lots of ISO free clear all over the place to make it look brand new and shiny.
lot easier than acrylic who needs a booth
At my work the "touch up guy" paints cars in the carpark
a little sanding back, some primer then colour then lots of ISO free clear all over the place to make it look brand new and shiny.
lot easier than acrylic who needs a booth
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Posted 11 June 2010 - 10:24 PM
Yes, lets talk about ISO free...
I won't pain you with the full doc. but here is an abstract of a MSDS of the first ISO free I googled
Product Name: 722 ISOCYANATE FREE 2 PACK HARDENER (PART 'B')
Company Name: Lacnam Paints Australia
Address: 78-80 Mandoon Road, Girraween, NSW 2145
Telephone Number: (02) 9688-1999
Emergency Number: (02) 9636-5505 (after hours)
2. HAZARDS IDENTIFICATION
HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCE-DANGEROUS GOODS:
Classified as hazardous according to criteria of ASCC.
Classified as dangerous according to Dangerous Good Code.
Xn Harmful
Xi Irritant
Risk Phrases:
R10 Flammable
R20/21/22 Harmful by Inhalation, in contact with skin and if swallowed.
R36/37/38 Irritating to eyes, respiratory system and skin.
R41 Risk of serious eye damage.
R43 May cause sensitization by skin contact.
R51 Toxic to aquatic organisms
R53 May cause long-term adverse effects in the aquatic environment.
R65 Harmful: May cause lung damage if swallowed.
R66 Repeated exposure may cause skin dryness and cracking.
R67 Vapours may cause drowsiness and dizziness.
Safety Phrases:
S2 Keep out of reach of children.
S3/7 Keep container tightly closed in a cool place.
S9 Keep container in well ventilated place.
S13 Keep away from food, drink, and animal feeding stuffs.
S15 Keep away from heat.
S16 Keep away from sources of ignition-No smoking.
S20 When using do not eat or drink.
S23 Do not breathe gas/fumes/vapour/spray.
S24 Avoid contact with skin.
S25 Avoid contact with eyes.
S26 In case of contact with eyes, immediately rinse with plenty of water and seek
medical advice.
LACNAM PAINTS AUSTRALIA
ABN 48 125 092 482
78-80 MANDOON, ROAD, GIRRAWEEN, SYDNEY
NSW 2145 AUSTRALIA
TELEPHONE: (02) 9688 1999 FACSIMILE: (02) 9896 1606
EMAIL: [email protected] WEBSITE: www.lacnam.com.au
MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET
722 Iso-Free Hardener Part B
Page 2 of 6
Date of issue 05 November 2008
2. HAZARDS etc etc etc.
No company in the world would state their products are that hazardous for the fun of it.
I won't pain you with the full doc. but here is an abstract of a MSDS of the first ISO free I googled
Product Name: 722 ISOCYANATE FREE 2 PACK HARDENER (PART 'B')
Company Name: Lacnam Paints Australia
Address: 78-80 Mandoon Road, Girraween, NSW 2145
Telephone Number: (02) 9688-1999
Emergency Number: (02) 9636-5505 (after hours)
2. HAZARDS IDENTIFICATION
HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCE-DANGEROUS GOODS:
Classified as hazardous according to criteria of ASCC.
Classified as dangerous according to Dangerous Good Code.
Xn Harmful
Xi Irritant
Risk Phrases:
R10 Flammable
R20/21/22 Harmful by Inhalation, in contact with skin and if swallowed.
R36/37/38 Irritating to eyes, respiratory system and skin.
R41 Risk of serious eye damage.
R43 May cause sensitization by skin contact.
R51 Toxic to aquatic organisms
R53 May cause long-term adverse effects in the aquatic environment.
R65 Harmful: May cause lung damage if swallowed.
R66 Repeated exposure may cause skin dryness and cracking.
R67 Vapours may cause drowsiness and dizziness.
Safety Phrases:
S2 Keep out of reach of children.
S3/7 Keep container tightly closed in a cool place.
S9 Keep container in well ventilated place.
S13 Keep away from food, drink, and animal feeding stuffs.
S15 Keep away from heat.
S16 Keep away from sources of ignition-No smoking.
S20 When using do not eat or drink.
S23 Do not breathe gas/fumes/vapour/spray.
S24 Avoid contact with skin.
S25 Avoid contact with eyes.
S26 In case of contact with eyes, immediately rinse with plenty of water and seek
medical advice.
LACNAM PAINTS AUSTRALIA
ABN 48 125 092 482
78-80 MANDOON, ROAD, GIRRAWEEN, SYDNEY
NSW 2145 AUSTRALIA
TELEPHONE: (02) 9688 1999 FACSIMILE: (02) 9896 1606
EMAIL: [email protected] WEBSITE: www.lacnam.com.au
MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET
722 Iso-Free Hardener Part B
Page 2 of 6
Date of issue 05 November 2008
2. HAZARDS etc etc etc.
No company in the world would state their products are that hazardous for the fun of it.
Edited by TerrA LX, 11 June 2010 - 10:29 PM.
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Posted 11 June 2010 - 10:34 PM
And may I add, without harping on, an abstract from DuPont...
SAFETY AND HANDLING:
For industrial use only by professional, trained
painters. Not for sale to or use by the general public.
Before using, read and follow all label and MSDS
precautions. If mixed with other components, mixture
will have hazards of all components.
Ready to use paint materials containing isocyanates
can cause irritation of the respiratory organs and
hypersensitive reactions. Asthma sufferers, those with
allergies and anyone with a history of respiratory
complaints must not be asked to work with products
containing isocyanates.
Do not sand, flame cut, braze or weld dry coating
without a NIOSH approved air purifying respirator with
particulate filters or appropriate ventilation, and
gloves.
Please visit: www.nason.dupont.com to view or print
an additional copy of this technical �Product Data
Sheet.�
SAFETY AND HANDLING:
For industrial use only by professional, trained
painters. Not for sale to or use by the general public.
Before using, read and follow all label and MSDS
precautions. If mixed with other components, mixture
will have hazards of all components.
Ready to use paint materials containing isocyanates
can cause irritation of the respiratory organs and
hypersensitive reactions. Asthma sufferers, those with
allergies and anyone with a history of respiratory
complaints must not be asked to work with products
containing isocyanates.
Do not sand, flame cut, braze or weld dry coating
without a NIOSH approved air purifying respirator with
particulate filters or appropriate ventilation, and
gloves.
Please visit: www.nason.dupont.com to view or print
an additional copy of this technical �Product Data
Sheet.�
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Even acrylics a have the whole "only for use by professionals" thing on them.
ISO free 2k is better for the enviroment/your lungs than normal 2k....BUT ITS SHIT!!!
I've used it a few times, hate it.
yldlj: fast hardener is the devils work, if you need to use it you dont know what your doing....And you must be a really fast runner. Im usually reaching for the slow reducer personally.....
Im a 2k painter....And i'll suggest for a first timer to spray acrylic.
I painted my first car in acrylic in the back yard under a gum tree.....it looked ok:
That was when i was 15 and had no clue what i was doing....
Yes i have explained a lot of things at length on these forums previously...Most should show up in a search. One day i will bother to compile a proper type tutorial, i just need to bother to take enough photo's to accurately show what im trying to say.
Cheers.
ISO free 2k is better for the enviroment/your lungs than normal 2k....BUT ITS SHIT!!!
I've used it a few times, hate it.
yldlj: fast hardener is the devils work, if you need to use it you dont know what your doing....And you must be a really fast runner. Im usually reaching for the slow reducer personally.....
Im a 2k painter....And i'll suggest for a first timer to spray acrylic.
I painted my first car in acrylic in the back yard under a gum tree.....it looked ok:
That was when i was 15 and had no clue what i was doing....
Yes i have explained a lot of things at length on these forums previously...Most should show up in a search. One day i will bother to compile a proper type tutorial, i just need to bother to take enough photo's to accurately show what im trying to say.
Cheers.
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Posted 12 June 2010 - 12:15 AM
Pete done quite a few good write ups too but they don't seem to show up.
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Yes he did, you should be able to do an advanced search for a user name in a specific section....Probably take a while if you try me cause of all my dribble posts (like this one).
Cheers.
Cheers.
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