hey fellas. does anyone on here know the specs to an old waggot "104" cam to suit the holden red 6s? these cams were the cam to have back in the 80s. the rev range came in at
3500-7000RPM. My dad had one in his plumdinger lc xu1 and says it was all lumpy and a pig to drive. i was wondering if i could get the specs to compare with something of todays technology, like a CAMTECH cam as ive herd these are good.
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186-202 WAGGOTT '104' camshaft
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Posted 21 June 2010 - 09:11 PM
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Posted 21 June 2010 - 09:16 PM
http://www.waggottca...rs.php?view=yes
Pretty easy mate LOL, first link that came up with a quick google search.
251 and 254 at .050" is pretty serious duration....I doubt it would be doing much at 3 grand....4k+ more likely.
Pretty easy mate LOL, first link that came up with a quick google search.
251 and 254 at .050" is pretty serious duration....I doubt it would be doing much at 3 grand....4k+ more likely.
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Posted 22 June 2010 - 12:07 AM
Yes, that is quite large, lol.
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Posted 22 June 2010 - 07:10 AM
There was one on eBay last week. Started at $120.
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Posted 22 June 2010 - 08:15 AM
I can't vouch for the Holden 6 but the 104 is a great grind that I still use in Holden V8's and SBC's today.
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Posted 22 June 2010 - 05:01 PM
He knows his stuff too, I rang him up when i still had the 202 in my Hatchback and i think we were chatting for over 15 minutes good price too.
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Posted 22 June 2010 - 06:06 PM
the one that was on e-bay ended up selling for $257 !!, i wonder what they are brand new these days lol. probly cheaper.
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Posted 22 June 2010 - 11:14 PM
My Tighe was around $320 so im guessing around that.
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Posted 23 June 2010 - 09:03 PM
hey bomber. what cam do you have by tighe cams? is it good? lumpy?
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maybe you should try http://www.wadecams.com/ the 391 cam is nice and lumpy and has a good rev range, bit of a pig at 60km but fun!
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Posted 23 June 2010 - 09:47 PM
hey, thanks milco, that cam is the 'bathurst xu1 cam rev range 3500-6500RPM' hahaha that cam would be very lumpy and yes.. a pig to drive on the road haha. ive always looked at the wade cams as ive herd there very good. has anyone on here had experience with a "CAMTECH"cam? i think thats what camshaft brand ill end up going with at the moment.
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Posted 23 June 2010 - 10:46 PM
hey bomber. what cam do you have by tighe cams? is it good? lumpy?
Cheers
Mate havnt started the engine yet, but its 255 degrees at .050" and .555" at the valve lift and i think 114 degrees overlap....So yes, lumpy. Bit of a custom grind from them.
I will be getting a 4500rpm stall torque converter for it, as i dont expect much to happen before 4200-4300rpm.
Should be fun, after this grenade shit is over and done with its full steam ahead on the LJ again, gotta get that infamous 202 on the engine stand running and see what it does or doesnt do....
Sorry for the thread steal
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Posted 23 June 2010 - 11:53 PM
Hi there,another option is Watson Racing Cams and talk to Peter as he has just ground a custom cam for my new engine and its just a solid cam with 264 @ .050",106 lobe sep and rev range from 3500- 8000 for $242 + post.
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Posted 24 June 2010 - 08:41 AM
I've fitted Camtech cams to the last six or eight engines that I've built, & have had good results. Malcolm is very easy talk with.
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i use alot of Camtech cams in my engines i build, ive had a great run with them.
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Posted 03 June 2012 - 04:30 PM
Just responding to this thread as I bumped into it on a search.
Yes the Waggot "old" 104 was good but about 15 - 20 years ago they changed the grind and still called it a 104 but it was not as good as the old one. I have a new 104 and a old 104 lying around in my garage. In Perth I think the old 104 used to be called a Sullivan Special.
But nevertheless whatever cam the Sullivan Special was it was the best cam and I had tried a few. I am quite sure I know a cam grinder who has a copy master of the old 104.
Yes the Waggot "old" 104 was good but about 15 - 20 years ago they changed the grind and still called it a 104 but it was not as good as the old one. I have a new 104 and a old 104 lying around in my garage. In Perth I think the old 104 used to be called a Sullivan Special.
But nevertheless whatever cam the Sullivan Special was it was the best cam and I had tried a few. I am quite sure I know a cam grinder who has a copy master of the old 104.
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hey fellas. does anyone on here know the specs to an old waggot "104" cam to suit the holden red 6s? these cams were the cam to have back in the 80s. the rev range came in at
3500-7000RPM. My dad had one in his plumdinger lc xu1 and says it was all lumpy and a pig to drive. i was wondering if i could get the specs to compare with something of todays technology, like a CAMTECH cam as ive herd these are good.
Cheers Blake
i had one in my red 6 in my hr wagon it was the best cam i ever had, i got it because the bloke that had it couldnt drive his car, but i had no probs and one good thing was people would ask to borrow my car, they come back 10 mins later and give the keys back because they couldnt move it.
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they where a 41 / 78 from memory 18 and 22 thou adjustment I used one in speedway 106 lobe center.
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What can you guy's tell me about this Cam... Thx in advance 
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Looks to be pretty lazy.
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Posted 23 December 2015 - 12:08 PM
I have a full listing of Waggott cams at home on the big computer. I will put the specs for the 104 up later tonight or tomorrow at the latest.
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Posted 23 December 2015 - 03:45 PM
I'm fairly sure Im using a #107 in the 186 XU1 and it's a ripper. Commonly known as a scatter cam as the timing is all over the place.
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Posted 04 January 2016 - 01:28 PM
I can vouch for the 104, i'm running one in my 202 a the moment. 47/78 are the correct numbers on my cam card. Decent overlap and a nice tight LSA, they are a fun bit of kit. Wont idle under 1100rpm, a little doughy down low but come 3500-4000 rpm your neck snaps back and things start to rattle and shake! They can be a bit of a pig if you dont know how to drive them. I cant do 60 kph in 4th even with 3.9's in the rear.
Someone mentioned earlier that his keys would get handed back to him because they couldnt move his car. This made me laugh as the other day I got my wheel alignment done and I lost count of how many times they stalled it trying to get it on the hoist!
There are no doubt better cams available today, but i'm a tragic and who doesnt like old skool nostalgia?
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Posted 05 January 2016 - 02:19 PM
Im running a 104 in my current 202. Inlet specs on my cam card are 47-78. Its a fun bit of kit, decent overlap and tight LSA's. Can be somewhat subdued down low, but when I hit 3500- 4000 rpm my neck snaps back and things start to rattle and shake. Makes decent power, after I got my static comp up at 11.4 to keep it happy.
Can be a pig on the street if you dont know how to drive it, but I have no probs. Wont idle well under 1100rpm and I cant do 60kph in 4th gear even with 3.9's in the rear. When I read one of the earlier comments above about no one being able to move the car and handing the keys back I laughed. I had my wheel alignment done the other day and I lost count of how many times they stalled it trying to move it and get it up on the hoist!
There are no doubt better cams available these days but i'm a tragic and love old skool nostalgia. I have heard people that say its too much cam for the street (which I think it really isn't) and I just tell them if your not having to work hard behind the wheel, your not really driving at all!!
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