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Cop's that target Race-Tracks

Started by _TORANR AMORE_ , Apr 24 2006 02:45 PM

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#26 Heath

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 07:21 PM

Devils, keep in mind that there's a difference between hoon cars being "roadworthy" and perfectly safe and worthy of road travel.

If a cop knew what he was talking about, he could pull over an LX where the only modification is HQ brakes, and put a canarie on that because it's not what the manufacturer produced them with. Does that mean the car shouldn't be on the road? I don't think HQ brakes make an LX any less safe...

We're talking about people that are trying to do the right thing and set a good example being hassled unnecessarily.

Edited by Heath, 25 April 2006 - 07:21 PM.

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#27 _devilsadvocate_

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 07:34 PM

Heath, whether its emissions, noise or a safety item is not the point here, we have rules and regs about all of these for a reason, the interests of the public at large(could be to get a good nights sleep without someone waking them up with their straight through exhaust).
Heath,if you dont like what's defectable, that's another matter, take it up with the RTA. I dont know if a torrie fitted with HQ brakes makes it unroadworthy or not, but really thats not the point.
Many mods are done in the name of performance and safety, but simply arent, that's why we have regulators that know about this stuff. If it needs to be engineered and isnt, then off the road it goes.

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#28 _CHOPPER_

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 07:45 PM

Guys, I think you are wasting your time with writing to the minister etc.

I don't think that's going to stop people voicing their anger about the way the police have acted.

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#29 _TORANR AMORE_

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 08:50 PM

devilsadvocate: you have totally missed the point. In fact, it's blown straight over your head.

I would go further to explain why your response there is very na�ve,� but I won�t.

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#30 Heath

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 09:51 PM

Sorry but I'd have to go with the majority here Devilsadvocate. We're not just bitching about canaries in general, but the way the police force are killing these events.

If the police want to canarie vehicles, yeah that is something that we will have to live with, even if I don't think it's one bit beneficial to the 'public at large' in 99% of cases. We'll still have to live with it, because at the end of the day, they're the boss.

But, what is your stance on the actual topic of discussion in this thread?

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#31 _TORANR AMORE_

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 09:53 PM

I just did a search for the keyword "Sandown" at the website www.police.vic.gov.au and got this:

http://www.police.vi...ocument_ID=5114

Defective cars found at Easter Nationals at Sandown
Tue 18 April 2006

More than 150 vehicles were checked for defects and modifications during the Easter Nationals at Sandown during Easter weekend.

The penalties were issued during a joint operation between Victoria Police, the Police Road Safety Taskforce and the Environmental Protection Authority.

85 defect notices and 26 penalty notices for using vehicles that don�t comply with the standards for registration or being too low to the ground were issued by police.

There were 7 unregistered vehicles found along with 4 disqualified / suspended drivers and 5 unlicensed drivers.

EPA issued 17 prohibition notices and 24 infringement notices for excessive noise.

Another 105 cars are to be called into EPA for noise and emissions testing.

One vehicle believed to be a sponsored show car valued at more than $100,000 that was being driven on a public road was deemed as unsafe after it was found to have a nitrous oxide system fitted to the vehicle and three bottles connected.

The vehicle was also too low to the ground and had a supercharger fitted to it. A noise test was conducted with the result coming in at 120decibels, 24decibels over the maximum allowed.

The driver of the show car was also driving on a suspended licence and claimed that he was driving it because he couldn�t afford a trailer.

Stacey Mair
Media Officer

There was no operation like this at the Australian Muscle Car Nationals at Calder which ran at the same time over the easter break. Hmmmm, funny that :<_<:

When I did a search for the keyword "Calder", I got 'Operation Drag Right'

http://www.police.vi...ocument_ID=2132
http://www.police.vi...ocument_ID=4998

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#32 _CHOPPER_

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 09:59 PM

Some of those cops need to get a life. Here's a quote from one of those links:

Meanwhile, Craigieburn�s Constable Frances Thewma admits she knew nothing about cars before the project started. At the launch, she found herself driving the Smokey Three blue Ford ute, which reached speeds in excess of 110 km/h.

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Posted 25 April 2006 - 11:18 PM

Interesting stuff TORANR AMORE. I wonder which "show car" they're talking about there (with the NOS bottles etc)...

MYLJ - no worries mate, glad I could help!

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#34 _devilsadvocate_

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Posted 26 April 2006 - 01:50 PM

I just did a search for the keyword "Sandown" at the website www.police.vic.gov.au and got this:

http://www.police.vi...ocument_ID=5114

Sounds like the police presence was well vindicated and in the public interest......
Point blown over my head?
Was this it:

It merely discourages people to enter OFF-STREET drag racing in a SAFE and professional environment and 'makes' them take it to the streets late at night.

Yes, it will discourage, those with defectable vehicles from attending, but disagree that it will solve our backstreet problems, regardless turning a blind eye to rwc requirements is not a suitable answer.

Edited by devilsadvocate, 26 April 2006 - 02:05 PM.

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Posted 26 April 2006 - 02:08 PM

I support the police fully in their attempt to rid our roads of unsafe cars and drivers. I do not, however, support the sort of harrasment that we see at so many of our modified car events. People have complained in the past, so police are responding to government and public calls, it is also a perfect opportunity because 'all the fish are in one barrel' so to speak and they get a good ratio of work for return and there is also a history of angst between police and the moded car scene (whether you're talking rice or muscle). Whatever the reasons, past or present, we need to look at the best ways for us to tackle the situation as it is now.

Everyone else has had their say and we are seeing the police and gov responding to that. If we want to see changes made then we too need to voice our opinions and concerns. Complaining about it in private will never see anything changed. There are countless methods open to us to inform everyone how we feel, including the methods mentioned by MYLJ and TORANR AMORE, as well as stuff like local MP's, print media, petitions etc.

Working with the police is a must. Operation drag safe is an excellant initiative and shows that the police are smart ppl and that there is a possability of moving foward. We must be respectful, getting abusive will see us move backwards.

Let us use our democratic right to free speech and all the things that flow from that before we are so far behind the eight ball no one will listen.

Damn these 'can of worms' topics take a long time to read and reply to

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#36 _TORANR AMORE_

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Posted 26 April 2006 - 02:52 PM

Sounds like the police presence was well vindicated and in the public interest......
............Yes, it will discourage, those with defectable vehicles from attending...........

How green are you?
That's the most ignorant (and self-righteous) opinionated crap you've come out with yet!
What experience have you ever had in this area, or in racing?
And YES, you missed the point!

PM sent as this will only blow out into an arguement that will get threadlocked.

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#37 _MYLJ_

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Posted 26 April 2006 - 03:02 PM

If you read the Police press release

Its starts with "More than 150 vehicles were checked......."

how many more? from what I witnessed over the 4 days it would be closer to 10 times that figure , work it out for yourself ,

10hrs per day x
4 days = 40hrs

40hrs x 4(police units)=160
(and there were a lot more that 4 officers/cars on duty at all times)

was each unit only inspecting 1 vehicle per hour? Definately not. If they were checking that few per hour they would not be able to justify the size of the force they had present.

I believe this figure of is a deliberate distortion of what took place so as give the appearance that a high number of the vehicle they inspected were defective. If they had given an accurate figure of the number of cars they stopped then the percentage of offenders compared to the number checked would IMPO be the same as any other police operation.So my gripe is why target this one motorsport event? and could more social good have been done by having a positive police presence at the event , rather than the negative one they displayed.

Ask yourself this, if a police task force had been set up on the Hume Highway (say at Calcallo) stopping all traffic and doing the same checks for roadworthiness etc on all the passing "holiday" traffic would they catch more / less /or about the same number of offenders.?

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#38 _TORANASS_

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Posted 26 April 2006 - 05:16 PM

Coming home on the holidays fron Robinvale i saw numerouse cars wich even i thought "weres a cop when you ned one"... If they had a Road worth test team in kalkalo i beleive with out any doubt they would have got over 1000 cars defective in one night alone. We were stuck in trafic from wallen to kalkalo for over 1 hour, there was a bumper to bumper line from before wallan to kalkalo with over 35% of them towing some sort of trailer or camper/caravan, and let me tell you some of the setups i saw were just plain dumb and an accident waiting to happen...

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#39 _TORANR AMORE_

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Posted 26 April 2006 - 05:22 PM

I support the police fully in their attempt to rid our roads of unsafe cars and drivers. I do not, however, support the sort of harrasment that we see at so many of our modified car events. ........

Everyone else has had their say and we are seeing the police and gov responding to that. If we want to see changes made then we too need to voice our opinions and concerns. Complaining about it in private will never see anything changed. There are countless methods open to us to inform everyone how we feel, including the methods mentioned by MYLJ and TORANR AMORE, as well as stuff like local MP's, print media, petitions etc.

Working with the police is a must. Operation drag safe is an excellant initiative and shows that the police are smart ppl and that there is a possability of moving foward. We must be respectful, getting abusive will see us move backwards.

Let us use our democratic right to free speech and all the things that flow from that before we are so far behind the eight ball no one will listen.

That was really well worded Liam and I couldn't agree more.

I have also supported the police in their efforts to get drunks and idiots off the roads in order to make them safer and I will continue to support them. Just think about it, the only thing that seperates you from death on a two way road is the ability/mentality of the other driver heading towards you from the other direction in the other lane. The same thing seperates pedestrians from death from speeding vehicles only a metre or two away. It's the police that make this much safer.

But lets face it, canaries are a tool to get idiots aka hoons off the road, But issuing them to people that are trying to do the right thing by taking their modified cars to a legal event like this one is morally wrong and barely justifies the cause, especially when (like I said before) hoons can be so easily caught and picked out in certian areas on the street.

Remember, it's not the modified car that kills, it's the idiot driving it.

I can only imagine how this operation has damaged this event and how many people will not attend the next one, or any other for that matter.

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Posted 26 April 2006 - 08:55 PM

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Posted 26 April 2006 - 09:04 PM

it's the idiot driving it.

And there is plenty around :rolleyes:

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#42 _Cane_It_

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Posted 26 April 2006 - 10:07 PM

I know I've joined this one late in the piece (only forum that Im a member of thats discussing this).

I have a reasonably modified daily driver, trans, heads, cam exhaust etc etc, went to sandown last year in a work car (magna) saw plenty of cops on the way out on the sunday, mate let when it finished and said that teh there were cops and toggies everywhere pullin cars over left right and centre.

This year I thought about going, and thought NO, I'll get bailed up by the pigs (like it or not this applies to most traffic cops as theyre usually the dumbshits that will never be smart enough to work in robbery. vice, homicide etc) and they wont let me go UNTIL they've found a reason to canary my car, no matter how minor a thing that Dad would just get a caution for on any other weekend. Now i like performance cars (dont we all) but I'm not loaded and cant run a dedicated drag/race car so i've hotted mine up a bit (nothing over the top). Now I NEED my car for work (how else can i get from where I live to work by 6am (long walk - bus - train - bus - long walk, which is over an hour if they happened to connect).
I stayed home in 2006 and missed Easternats (I'd spectate not compete), getting a canary no matter how rediculous was not an option for me.

Now lets say I like the odd race, I'll do it where I think I wont get caught or if someone wants a go off the lights well I'll take my chances and risk it rather than be garanteed police harassment and a canary on my daily driver. Multiply this by pretty much everyone who was a spectator and or competitor and you have thousands of people that are gonna risk it on the streets.

The police settign up roadworthy operations outside motorsport events is nothing new or ingenious. All they will do is force the problem underground with fatal results. Yes the bloke who decides to drive home with teh pipes dropped deserves some attention but no-one can honestly tell me that every car that was pulled over was because of someone doing something stupid.

Good luck to those writing letters of protest to the Police Minister, just remember he's a politician so dont expect too much.

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 11:29 AM

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#44 _TORANR AMORE_

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 11:31 AM

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#45 _MAWLER_

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 01:06 PM

Ease up a little bit Rick, we don't want a virtual brawl on these pages. As was mentioned on one of those pages you linked, we do too much fighting each other when we should be banding together. We are all different as individuals and all have different view and opinions. The thing about a democracy and the free country we live in is that we ALL have a right to feel the way we do and to voice our opnions without fear of being shot or jailed.

If devil doesn't agree with what we've been saying then thats fine, we don't have to try and convince everyone on earth to agree with us before we can start doing something. There are obviously enough ppl around who are feeling the same way, lets get something happening and move foward, those who don't agree don't have to do anything.

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#46 _MYLJ_

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 01:30 PM

this link may give people some insite into the attitude of our government (in this case NSW state gov) it shows how narrow minded and lead by populistic media beliefs some of them are.

http://www.parliamen...33;OpenDocument

this one although containing some older info is proof at least that we are not alone in our beliefs

http://www.roadsense...au/newsold.html

Edited by MYLJ, 27 April 2006 - 01:41 PM.

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 02:22 PM

Ease up a little bit Rick, we don't want a virtual brawl on these pages. *snip*

The thing about a democracy and the free country we live in is that we ALL have a right to feel the way we do and to voice our opnions without fear of being shot or jailed.

^^ not quite true, there is no such thing as free speech any more

Now, play nice or dont play at all.

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#48 _MAWLER_

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 05:03 PM

^^ not quite true, there is no such thing as free speech any more

Quite true Tinkers, I was just trying to stay strong for those who still believed the myth

What with a vilification act, id cards and the new IR laws...oh I'm sorry, was getting political there for a minute. :ZZZ:

Peace,

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Posted 05 May 2006 - 05:10 PM

Dam, these posts take a long time to read. but now ive finiched readin em i thought id put in my 2 cents worth. in reply to those saying that the cars being pushed onto trailers were justifyably defectable, due to them being registered, did you ever stop to think that maybe they had simply changed something for the event?, hooked up a NOS kit, changes sum rubber etc etc. yes some cars may have been defectable but what justifies a defect? my Brother until recently drove a VL commodore lowered with 18 inch wheels, tinted windows and a subtle exhaust (my old mans an exhaust fitter so we know it was legal) he was pulled up a number of times for the simple look of his car, now fair enough they got him for his 18 inch wheels, but even once he had removed them, they continued to pull him up and defect him for things the average joe would never know about, for example he copped a defect notice because his seatbelts (when pulled out the doors mind you) didnt retract fully or fast enough. his exhaust was then deemed too loud without a test, and he was pretty much scared outa drivin. Another freind of mine was driving his showroom HSV maloo ute to summernats this year and surprise, was pulled over at "marullan... (not sure bout spellin)" and yes this bloke is the kind of bloke that everyone can whinge about, he does burnouts, drives like a crazy f*ck and pisses everyone off. but on this occasion he was doing the right thing. he was pulled over by the coppers who had a squiz over the car and told him to keep driving and pull in bout 2km up into an inspection bay, now whether or not he actually didnt see the pull off area or not is up for argument, but wen they pulled him up again, he was defected and fined for-
1) ute being too low (factory height)
2) bald rear tyres (yes they were low but not bald)
3)exhaust too loud (again factory)
4)too dark tint (can someone say factory)
now my mate was then a bit of a smart ass to the coppers and they kinda went thorugh his whole car and luggage, then left it on the edge of the road, told him to pick it up and go home. nice ay. now ive already typed a novel so i will just quitely mention another friend, defected for a standard rear wing on a VZ clubsport.. wat the??? if the cops need to defect people, try the newcastle foreshore on thurs, fri and satdy nites, i bet there are plenty of open air pod filters on four cylinders and other rice, that could raise a whole lot of revenue and earn them some brownie points and a shiny new "oink of the month badge". im 18 and yes i have an issue with authority, but i also respect what police do and have done for me throughout my life, but this type of stuff is complete bullshit and needs to stop.
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