Hi everyone,
I have recently read an interesting article in AMC and it states that there were Bathurst GTR's, the LC was covered in some detail, it indicates that these were used in similar fashon to the XU-1, but for that lower class of racing Homologation.
The LC is apparently Identified by the two stripes down the bonnet, this has reminded me of a puzzle on my LJ GTR, it has blackened side grilles, I don't know if they are original or not, obviously they did not usually have this originally and many were painted like this later, for looks, perhaps mine was a form of identification.
My GTR is in the right time period to be classed a a Bathurst GTR if they even existed in August 1973.
Can anyone shed any light if there were Bathurst LJ GTR's?
My GTR was partially original still with the front guards still having their original paint, but the body has also been touched up, so who knows?
Mike
What is a Bathurst GTR
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Posted 25 September 2010 - 07:19 PM
Next it will be the Bathurst kingswood !!!
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Posted 25 September 2010 - 07:23 PM
I know of 3 x Bathurst races with Kingswoods running. 1968, 1973 and 1974.
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Posted 25 September 2010 - 08:01 PM
And dont forget the Bathurst UC
Photo to prove it !!
Photo to prove it !!
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Posted 25 September 2010 - 08:48 PM
LC GTRs were raced before the XU-1 came out. Obviously, as for all cars in series production racing at the time, they had to go through homologation, and that occurred as GTRs.
LJ GTRs weren't specifically homologated because they used parts homologated for the XU-1s
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LJ GTRs weren't specifically homologated because they used parts homologated for the XU-1s
Grant..
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Posted 25 September 2010 - 08:51 PM
Blah blah smarty pants !
He He...
Sorry Mike. I'll shut up now.
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Posted 25 September 2010 - 10:53 PM
Class B
1970 G.Moore/Bill Brown LC 2600S DNF
1971 G.Wade/G.Perry LC GTR 27th
M.Brewster/R.Strong LC GTR 30th
1972 M.Brewster/R.Strong GTR 22nd
B.Wedd/B. Crocknell GTR 23rd
C.Cole/J.Holland Torana 2850 DNF
Class C
1973 H.Taylor/D.Smith LC GTR 19th
G.Garth/B.Stewart LC GTR DNF
1974 R.Bonhomme/B.Watson LC GTR 15th
B.Seton/D.Smith LC GTR DNF
The car hi-lited in yellow is what makes my LJ a "Bathurst Special"
1970 G.Moore/Bill Brown LC 2600S DNF
1971 G.Wade/G.Perry LC GTR 27th
M.Brewster/R.Strong LC GTR 30th
1972 M.Brewster/R.Strong GTR 22nd
B.Wedd/B. Crocknell GTR 23rd
C.Cole/J.Holland Torana 2850 DNF
Class C
1973 H.Taylor/D.Smith LC GTR 19th
G.Garth/B.Stewart LC GTR DNF
1974 R.Bonhomme/B.Watson LC GTR 15th
B.Seton/D.Smith LC GTR DNF
The car hi-lited in yellow is what makes my LJ a "Bathurst Special"
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Posted 26 September 2010 - 12:04 PM
Class B
1970 G.Moore/Bill Brown LC 2600S DNF
1971 G.Wade/G.Perry LC GTR 27th
M.Brewster/R.Strong LC GTR 30th
1972 M.Brewster/R.Strong GTR 22nd
B.Wedd/B. Crocknell GTR 23rd
C.Cole/J.Holland Torana 2850 DNF
Class C
1973 H.Taylor/D.Smith LC GTR 19th
G.Garth/B.Stewart LC GTR DNF
1974 R.Bonhomme/B.Watson LC GTR 15th
B.Seton/D.Smith LC GTR DNF
The car hi-lited in yellow is what makes my LJ a "Bathurst Special"
Yes thats hilarious!
They did make the LC GTR in 2850 ( 173 S )
Thanks,
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Posted 26 September 2010 - 12:11 PM
Yes, but the car listed in yellow was an LJ.
With the info I have, I don't think an LJ GTR ever ran, but I could be wrong?
I have a pic of one of the '74 cars and it is LC.
There is a pic of the '72 Christine Cole/Jan Holland car in this thread:
http://www.gmh-toran...=1
With the info I have, I don't think an LJ GTR ever ran, but I could be wrong?
I have a pic of one of the '74 cars and it is LC.
There is a pic of the '72 Christine Cole/Jan Holland car in this thread:
http://www.gmh-toran...=1
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Posted 26 September 2010 - 12:20 PM
Is it an LC with LJ updates? Can you get a closer look at a picture and see if it has quarter indicators?
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Posted 26 September 2010 - 01:16 PM
I've had a look with a magnifying glass and can't see a light on the quarter.
The pics are from this book by Bill Tuckey if you have a copy?
The LJ is on page 167.
The '74 LC is on page 184. Car 27 R.Bonhomme/B.Watson
The stats (above) are also from this book and I cross checked them here as well:
http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/bathurst_1970.htm
The pics are from this book by Bill Tuckey if you have a copy?
The LJ is on page 167.
The '74 LC is on page 184. Car 27 R.Bonhomme/B.Watson
The stats (above) are also from this book and I cross checked them here as well:
http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/bathurst_1970.htm
Edited by rodomo, 26 September 2010 - 01:18 PM.
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Posted 26 September 2010 - 09:49 PM
The Cole/Holland was an updated LC AFAIK. �One of the triplets of 38C, 39C/Saggy & 40C - Laz may have to confirm that it was one of these or an extra, but that car did alot of racing.
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The '74 LC is on page 184. Car 27 R.Bonhomme/B.Watson,,, hahahe bommer where was you back then mate???
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Posted 27 September 2010 - 11:18 PM
One of the triplets of 38C, 39C/Saggy & 40C - Laz may have to confirm that it was one of these or an extra, but that car did alot of racing.
1968 M.Whiteman/C.Cole Morris DeLuxe 74A
1969 C.Cole/L.Keefe Fiat 125 33C
1970 C.Cole/S.Bennett GTR-XU1 38C
1971 No entry?
1972 C.Cole/J.Holland Torana 2850 47B
1973 C.Cole/S.Ransom Alpha 2000 GTV 40B
Might have to give Freddy Gibson a call?
I think he ended up marrying her?
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Posted 11 October 2010 - 06:47 PM
Hi all,
I picked up a 161 R prefix engine, any clues to which purpose it was used for?
Mike
I picked up a 161 R prefix engine, any clues to which purpose it was used for?
Mike
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Posted 11 October 2010 - 08:58 PM
Hi all,
I picked up a 161 R prefix engine, any clues to which purpose it was used for?
Mike
Hi Mike
My resource says "HR high compression".
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Hi all,
I picked up a 161 R prefix engine, any clues to which purpose it was used for?
Mike
Hi Mike
My resource says "HR high compression".
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Thanks Bazza,
how would this fit in with a A 23 9 block cast date?
eng number 161R 94871
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i will tell you all what a bathurst gtr and s model is,,, thay are cars that someone has got and at the same time thay have got paper work and proof that the car has raced at bathurst,, other than that thay are like the 1970 lc xu1 debate.
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The Cole/Holland was an updated LC AFAIK. �One of the triplets of 38C, 39C/Saggy & 40C - Laz may have to confirm that it was one of these or an extra, but that car did alot of racing. Grant..
This is incorrect, the Cole/Holland car was definitely a LJ Torana
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Hi David,i left you a PM.
Cheers John.
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Posted 26 January 2012 - 09:43 PM
Yes, right you are , I had confused it with the Cole/Bennett car.This is incorrect, the Cole/Holland car was definitely a LJ Torana
And this also proves that the LJ itself was the base homologation which some don't seem to understand, and XU-1 was a series of homologation additions........
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Posted 27 January 2012 - 06:24 PM
Yes, right you are , I had confused it with the Cole/Bennett car.
And this also proves that the LJ itself was the base homologation which some don't seem to understand, and XU-1 was a series of homologation additions........
I could be wrong but I'll throw this out there anyway.
The way I interpret the rules is the XU-1 was the base homologation which would have then allowed a lower spec model to qualify for racing.
Read the cams rules regarding Compliance.
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Posted 27 January 2012 - 07:41 PM
Dave , that is what i believe it to be also as it states in the memo from John Bagshaw to John Adey Nov. '71 ( which is in the GMH archive at the Mortlock Library ) , that production had to be brought forward to 19/1/72 in order to make 200 of the new LJ Xu1's by the start of the South Pacific Touring car series otherwise the LJ would not have been allowed to race in '72.
The memo with plant production numbers for jan and feb for eliz. and acacia ridge plants was following a meeting the day before with Harry Firth i which the aim was to have 200 units by the 1/3/72 . Now there must have been an agreement with cams to allow this number as the 50% rule should would normally have applied. One can only suggest an agreement had been reached as GMH had in fact brought production forward 5 weeks for the LJ model.
It would not have taken long for the remainder of req. vehicles to be built to make up the numbers after this date to comply with the 50% rule thus making the LJ XU1 a homolgated vehicle. As is my understanding the changes to specs meant that some new parts had to be fitted to production vehicles ( presumably XU1's but not necessarily as i have been told ) and some that were not req. to be fitted to production vehicles but there had to be the correct amount of parts either way.
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The memo with plant production numbers for jan and feb for eliz. and acacia ridge plants was following a meeting the day before with Harry Firth i which the aim was to have 200 units by the 1/3/72 . Now there must have been an agreement with cams to allow this number as the 50% rule should would normally have applied. One can only suggest an agreement had been reached as GMH had in fact brought production forward 5 weeks for the LJ model.
It would not have taken long for the remainder of req. vehicles to be built to make up the numbers after this date to comply with the 50% rule thus making the LJ XU1 a homolgated vehicle. As is my understanding the changes to specs meant that some new parts had to be fitted to production vehicles ( presumably XU1's but not necessarily as i have been told ) and some that were not req. to be fitted to production vehicles but there had to be the correct amount of parts either way.
Laz
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