_Hamster_
Posted 25 August 2013 - 02:04 PM
My trusty big of timber is straight skap lol..
With the bog or skim bog or what ever you call it.
How does one apply it? Like im assuming if im only putting it over that corner it has to end somewhere and there would be a little ridge were it stops? Or does it smooth out flatter than i think? or is there some special paint or something?
Also how much should i be using. Like if i had a small dint 2mm deep or so is that to much bog?
_LS2 Hatch_
Posted 25 August 2013 - 05:45 PM
Lotsa Posts!
Posted 25 August 2013 - 05:52 PM
I'll ad to that with....... do a section at a time because you want to sand the bog just as it goes hard so it comes off without to much fuss. Also use a coarse grit to get into it and 'stop the waves'. That's also my limited knowledge.
Marty
_Quagmire_
Posted 25 August 2013 - 08:05 PM
_Hamster_
Posted 25 August 2013 - 08:15 PM
Found that in the shed.....Dunno if its right or not.
"The double strength fibre reinforced polyester filler for stuctural repairs to cars, boats, caravans, surfboards, watertanks, guttering etc"
I remember using it once and it was filled with......fibre i guess what there calling it and you would sand it and have bits of that hanging out of it?
Buy a new lot or use this?
Also i got no paint. Well i do but not etch primer. I remember removing the bog from the right rear and it had rust under it. So if the bog allows you to paint it first then ill paint it first to be on the safe side of things.
I have an electric wood plainer but no electric sander ;/
Prob find a cheapo somewhere.
Edited by Hamster, 25 August 2013 - 08:17 PM.
_Quagmire_
Posted 25 August 2013 - 08:20 PM
_Hamster_
Posted 26 August 2013 - 05:25 PM
guess i could always do a test peace.
Dad works with a guy who used to own his own panel shop and things, he said he would ask him if he knew about it for me.
Hopefully ill get stuck into it again thurs/friday.
Yes, yes I do post alot!
Posted 27 August 2013 - 07:04 AM
_Quagmire_
Posted 27 August 2013 - 03:04 PM
_Hamster_
Posted 27 August 2013 - 04:43 PM
Yea i won't
Prob go halves with dad.
It's usualy either makita or dewalt for dad.
To to go video hunting then!
Edited by Hamster, 27 August 2013 - 04:43 PM.
_Hamster_
Posted 29 August 2013 - 04:19 PM
Far out brussel sprouts
So marked it out, there is that overlaped bit in there someone so to be safe i went in a bit more. I did it 20mm from about 5 different spots and join the dots thinking it would be easier in the long run.
You can see how the bit right up the top is thinner some how.....
Not the right angle but that bit is 2mm of steel the center is about 1.5mm ish give or take 1/4 of a mm
so i bend the 90 degree angle in it thinking it would then be eaier to bend the smaller bend thing bend up in the bend thingo.
After trying with a couple of pairs of plyers and getting one of the sides bent and the other one more or less flat. I went ape with theorys.
So i tried doing this, as you can see tis only bending the one edge.
The bottom is good, rest isnt.
THEN i tried doing this, also didnt work.
so i put it in the vice and smashed the shit out of it and gave up for the day! 
so question time.
Can i do 2 sections and join them on the bend with weld or is that a no go cause it would be structuraly not so good?
Im assuming you would do this is one of those 2 wheel thina majigas, would be it worth making a rough fail version of one of them if question 1 is a no go.
Also i dunno y but some of the images have flipped themselves over so.......yea photobuckets playing tricks on me.
Edited by Hamster, 29 August 2013 - 04:19 PM.
_toranatime_
Posted 29 August 2013 - 06:27 PM
for curves like that a shrinker/ stretcher is the go, but it can be done by hammering a lip to stretch where you want it, which will put a curve in it. joining thwo pieces together is plenty strong enough, you just need to be careful with the grinder. It looks like you have ground through the full thickness of the material and most of the weld. when fitting up a join like that try aim for an outside corner joint.
keep at it
cheers
Lotsa Posts!
Posted 29 August 2013 - 07:27 PM
_Liam_
Posted 29 August 2013 - 07:46 PM
If you don't have a shrinker/stretcher, make it out of two pieces. Forgive the bluntness, you are wasting your time trying to shrink/stretch something like that with hammer/dollies.
_Hamster_
Posted 30 August 2013 - 12:43 PM
Dad found a local panel beater that ive never seen or heard of in my life. Sent him an email i think he was gonna look at the car next week. I told him if i have my door done ill get him to look at it see what he thinks and i might be able to do a few of the easier things to save a bit of coin.
possibly get some of the door done this arvo. Tomorrow im apparently helping the neighbours move (only found out about this like.....yesturday which is handy, but he is irish so....free beer?) And apparently on sunday im going to woolongong to look at a new jack rusell which i only found out about yesturday as well. Kind of a pain in the arse i was hoping to get some bog and finish up most of the door. SO depending on when the guy looks at my car i may have most of it done.
And yea joining the 2 bits seems to be a GOOD IDEA lol.
Edited by Hamster, 30 August 2013 - 12:43 PM.
_Hamster_
Posted 30 August 2013 - 02:25 PM
Tiny bit to long, i can't hold both bits to line them up. So ill weld this one in and grind it back.
Other bit to go in, kinda looks like a small ridge in the middle.
Ruler says kinda not a small ridge in middle ;/
so i went to check the other way and measured away from my new spot to check the whole door.
WTF
Kinds looks similar?
_Hamster_
Posted 03 September 2013 - 10:05 PM
So, wondering if anyone would use a tig welder for this stuff.
Figured i need to learn and get some practice with it one day and i may as well be now, providing it is ok to use it.
_Liam_
Posted 04 September 2013 - 09:10 PM
If I used a TIG it would be for big unsupported panels. Such as a new roof.
_toranatime_
Posted 04 September 2013 - 09:49 PM
I wouldn't try getting into tig for a project like this. there is nothing wrong with mig, and is much easier to master. Tig requires a very different set up such as tig torch or torches and consumables, filler wire and you need pure argon not argon C02 mix that is just naming a few things. For what you are doing i wouldn't try adding tig to the mix. 1mm panel work probably isn't the best to try learn to tig weld straight up either.
in the end it is your choice though.
cheers
_Hamster_
Posted 05 September 2013 - 01:57 PM
I got everything for the tig. Just need to learn how to use it. Have a spool gun to for w/e reason.
Rightio.
So helped irish man over the road move house the other day, scored 100 bucks and a cabinet.
Will replace the wooden one and the locker.
(as you can see its a messy garage)
managed to man handle it in there, getting the others out was a pain, i left everything in it so i wasn't double handling but with the roof frOcking low it was an ass of a job.
It wasn't me officer honest.
so much more room for activities
there was a bench under there from memory.
My new pal......................................................Thin lizzy.......so we will call him phil lynott
so.....well frOck its not really much better is it?
https://cache.gmh-to...zps06db98aa.jpg
Junk goes here and we have no room for torana again.
FAR OUT
Anyways local panel beater rang today, gonna come look at car next thursday at 8 in the morning for a rough quote and so the story goes on.
I was gonna do more on the door today but after hitting my head on the room and a big steal beam in the other shed i figured i wouldn't push my luck hitting my head again.
Edited by Hamster, 05 September 2013 - 02:00 PM.
_toranatime_
Posted 05 September 2013 - 04:48 PM
if you have all the tig gear and want to do it, then go for it
_Hamster_
Posted 06 September 2013 - 12:23 PM
Daaaaaad can you adjust the welder for me.
Neck minit massive hole (fricken boiler makers). He filled it up so its ok. (sorta)
Actualy appears to be working better to what i had it set at.....I think. It's "cracking" more often aswell.
Bird shit welding 101
Forgot to cover up my million dolla bike, no damage done thankfully.
Learning learning....Didn't grind down to the metal to much, Ground back the lip level with the other.
Welded up the lip
Some more grinding. There is a slight bump/ridge up the top, i managed to bang most of it out, there is still a bit there but.....It's inside the door and something will cover it up. So it will be fine (im guessing) The curve/bend is straight so in theory the door should shut ok.
Previous job (prob my best patch on the whole door so far)
Needed the hole for the door rubber so i put that back in.
Paints a different colour......oh well.
Tried painting the inside......I have no idea if i got it or not ;/
Redo this one cause its rubbish
Cut some metal with the tin snips and prob do that over the weekend when im bored.
Edited by Hamster, 06 September 2013 - 12:25 PM.
CABIN ENGINE CONTROLS GALORE
Posted 06 September 2013 - 12:53 PM
Hamo,
with Tig welding, have the tip doing a circular motion in your right hand travelling towards your left hand with the left hand holding the Tig wire in the heat till you see it drip onto the metal and the circular motion blends all together, hope that helps. Dave I
hmm, he did not do any circular motions hey, oh well any way will do
Edited by TORYPOWER, 06 September 2013 - 12:59 PM.
_toranatime_
Posted 06 September 2013 - 08:57 PM
you don't so much want to drip the filler onto the base metal but more 'feed' it directly into the puddle, adding the same amount of rod every time.
The rough settings I would use for a start:
-2% lanthanated or thoriated tungsten 1.6mm or even a 1mm
-6 or 7 gas cup using 7lpm of straight argon
-Around 40 amps
- er70s-2 filler wire
_Hamster_
Posted 08 September 2013 - 03:33 PM
Right so. Did a 5-6 hour bush walk or w/e the hell it was yesturday to the bottom of belmore falls and my knee isn't to great so i didn't feel like bending over and working on the door.
SO
I managed to get dad to agree with putting a new door on the other garage (no idea if mum has agreed to it but its to late now)
Removing the old rotted frame.
Prob the better looking piece
......Only thing holding it on the wall lol.
Couple of mates
Cleaned out the dirt, rotten timber, pins etc.
(i know it doesnt line up, its soo you see how it fits)
And its a bit narrower than the other one which suits me fine.
Gonna weld tabs to the side and bolt it to the wall, there is a big steel beem holding the roof up, take the center bit to that in.....8 spots or so. and we should be sweet. Metal is a bit how ya going cause its been sitting out in the weather for a few years, i suggested to dad i can grind it back and paint it but he doesn't seem to worry about it so i won't.
Doors........................I'll leave that up to them, whether its in iron or wood or w/e.
But yea once doors are on and i can lock it up half th shit in the other shed can go in there or i can work in this shed and have a shit load more room its not even funny.
Edited by Hamster, 08 September 2013 - 03:34 PM.
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