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Lucky the lime green metalic GTR 1972
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Posted 26 December 2012 - 10:04 AM
Jesus Dude, that is some f u cked up shit right there. I feel your pain man. Our's blew out by five months and three grand from the first quote but the sideshow act that you seem to be enduring is beyond a joke. Wish I could charge fifty bucks a day for the car's that I've got stashed in my shed that don't belong to me, I could tell the boss to jam it and just hang out at home.
Hope you get it back soon.
Hope you get it back soon.
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Posted 26 December 2012 - 11:10 AM
I've learned a valuable lesson today, get your facts straight before you open your stupid big mouth.
I apologize to those I have offended in the above post. It would appear I'm the sideshow act.
Remember people there are two sides to every story.
I apologize to those I have offended in the above post. It would appear I'm the sideshow act.
Remember people there are two sides to every story.
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Posted 26 December 2012 - 05:30 PM
Sorry to hear your having issues with your panel guys. Hope it sorts itself out.
I know it can be a very stressful time, I had issues with a similar project a couple years back.
I think most of the issues can boil down to lack of open and honest communications between the panel shop and owners.
I was quoted 12k for panel and paint for a holden. Blew out to 35k. I almost had to sell my house to pay the bill. They put some mechanics lien on the car so I couldn't pick the car up during our dispute. In the end I just had to pay for what I thought was a randsom.
I later found out that a lot of their projects end up in the same kind of dramas as mine. I know at least one ended up in court.
The panel shop didn't keep me in the loop - and it was kinda just expected that the original quote is just a rubbery figure since they say "estimate only" not fixed cost. They are experienced in dealing with customers like me.
It was a very good car to start with. 1 owner, and apart from floor pans, had very very little rust. Grandad had owned it from new and it had never been in an accident. It was one of those 1 in 100 cars that when you sandblast it, it didn't really have any surprises.
$12k sounded like a reasonable price for a straight rust free car, that needed floor pans and a couple other minor repairs.
I found that normally most projects have a lot of surprises and never come close to the original figure, and its easy for them to justify charging more.
Maybe $35k is the going rate now ? It wasn't a show finish or custom finish. Just standard holden colors.
If the panel shop was honest, they should have said, we can never do a job for $12k. Its probably going to be $28 to $32k. Nothing worse than getting a bill you can't afford to pay.
Pity they couldn't be honest, as they really did good work.
I know it can be a very stressful time, I had issues with a similar project a couple years back.
I think most of the issues can boil down to lack of open and honest communications between the panel shop and owners.
I was quoted 12k for panel and paint for a holden. Blew out to 35k. I almost had to sell my house to pay the bill. They put some mechanics lien on the car so I couldn't pick the car up during our dispute. In the end I just had to pay for what I thought was a randsom.
I later found out that a lot of their projects end up in the same kind of dramas as mine. I know at least one ended up in court.
The panel shop didn't keep me in the loop - and it was kinda just expected that the original quote is just a rubbery figure since they say "estimate only" not fixed cost. They are experienced in dealing with customers like me.
It was a very good car to start with. 1 owner, and apart from floor pans, had very very little rust. Grandad had owned it from new and it had never been in an accident. It was one of those 1 in 100 cars that when you sandblast it, it didn't really have any surprises.
$12k sounded like a reasonable price for a straight rust free car, that needed floor pans and a couple other minor repairs.
I found that normally most projects have a lot of surprises and never come close to the original figure, and its easy for them to justify charging more.
Maybe $35k is the going rate now ? It wasn't a show finish or custom finish. Just standard holden colors.
If the panel shop was honest, they should have said, we can never do a job for $12k. Its probably going to be $28 to $32k. Nothing worse than getting a bill you can't afford to pay.
Pity they couldn't be honest, as they really did good work.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 02:25 AM
thats some sad shit there man.
i feel for yas
cheers gong
i feel for yas
cheers gong
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 08:06 AM
Guys I'm no expert but have had a little experience with contracts / law. First point is a contract doesn't have to be turned into written word, in the eye of the law verbal contracts are just as strong because there are trade laws that protect us, as consumers. However without the documentation it turns into the old "he said, she said" thing.
The best thing Grant has on his side is that he makes mention of a letter or meeting notes outlining the general intent and agreed outcomes. The argument (in court) will concentrate on "what" was agreed to. The only thing I hope is that Grant has documented "what he was paying for", I.e. known as a Scope of Work or Services. The panel shop will have to argue that the additional costs are driven by "variations" to the original agreement. Variations are not unilateral, they have be mutually agreed to before the work can be carried out.....or charged for.
Grant, get your ducks in a row, sit down and dot point the agreed outcomes, dates of any communications or meetings, everything you can think of. Be prepared because this prick will be.
I wish you the best possible outcome mate.
Cheers
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The best thing Grant has on his side is that he makes mention of a letter or meeting notes outlining the general intent and agreed outcomes. The argument (in court) will concentrate on "what" was agreed to. The only thing I hope is that Grant has documented "what he was paying for", I.e. known as a Scope of Work or Services. The panel shop will have to argue that the additional costs are driven by "variations" to the original agreement. Variations are not unilateral, they have be mutually agreed to before the work can be carried out.....or charged for.
Grant, get your ducks in a row, sit down and dot point the agreed outcomes, dates of any communications or meetings, everything you can think of. Be prepared because this prick will be.
I wish you the best possible outcome mate.
Cheers
Rob
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 11:09 AM
I rang consumer affairs when I had a dispute.
Since the workshop said "estimate", then it meant they could charge whatever they wanted. Being experienced in disputes, the shop had covered their arse.
I said, surely they can only charge a "fair" amount. Consumer affairs said they could charge whatever they wanted and I had no recourse.
I'm hoping your panel shop is different to mine and you can get it sorted out fairly.
The next car at my panel shop went into dispute too.
Aparently the car was near finished when it went to another shop for upholstry or something else. The owner picked the car up from the upholstry shop instead of it going back to the panel shop as agreed. The panel shop guys quickly sued the owner for not paying.
I wish their was some kind of code of conduct for the restoration industry.
Even just these 2 suggestions would solve 90% of issues between car owners and panel shop operators.
Rating system for repairs - 1 to 10
1 = Bog job - bog over existing rust.
10 = Bare metal, concourse metal finished
Then weekly / fortnightly progress report and advise owner of how budget is tracking, and how repairs are tracking according to timeline.
If the owner knows what they are getting, when they are getting it and how much - surely thats a good thing for both the panel shop and owner.
Custom panel jobs would probably need some other rating system
Eg 1 = stock
10 = summernats top 10 car
Since the workshop said "estimate", then it meant they could charge whatever they wanted. Being experienced in disputes, the shop had covered their arse.
I said, surely they can only charge a "fair" amount. Consumer affairs said they could charge whatever they wanted and I had no recourse.
I'm hoping your panel shop is different to mine and you can get it sorted out fairly.
The next car at my panel shop went into dispute too.
Aparently the car was near finished when it went to another shop for upholstry or something else. The owner picked the car up from the upholstry shop instead of it going back to the panel shop as agreed. The panel shop guys quickly sued the owner for not paying.
I wish their was some kind of code of conduct for the restoration industry.
Even just these 2 suggestions would solve 90% of issues between car owners and panel shop operators.
Rating system for repairs - 1 to 10
1 = Bog job - bog over existing rust.
10 = Bare metal, concourse metal finished
Then weekly / fortnightly progress report and advise owner of how budget is tracking, and how repairs are tracking according to timeline.
If the owner knows what they are getting, when they are getting it and how much - surely thats a good thing for both the panel shop and owner.
Custom panel jobs would probably need some other rating system
Eg 1 = stock
10 = summernats top 10 car
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Posted 30 December 2012 - 05:43 PM
guys Craig A is his brother and is a member on this forum so what ever you say here will go back.
Having said that we will see what happens with this matter on the date.
Until then not much to say from on my end. Apart from another $30 bucks added to the bill.
if you want PM me out of the public eye.
thanks for the support.
Having said that we will see what happens with this matter on the date.
Until then not much to say from on my end. Apart from another $30 bucks added to the bill.
if you want PM me out of the public eye.
thanks for the support.
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Posted 30 December 2012 - 06:17 PM
Thats bullshit if it was my car been held he would be sporting several broken bones i shit you not and i dont give a frOck whos brother it is frOckin panel shop owners are all frOckin arseholes had this tryed on me years ago just told him straight is your life worth a car i dont take crap from no one
hope you go well in court grant
hope you go well in court grant
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Posted 30 December 2012 - 06:25 PM
Gene,
you will probably get a PM - thats short for personal message from CRAIG A.
bloods thicker than water.
Nice Gene hat's off.
Ps;
i have tried to settle this three times with offers to the owner.
you will probably get a PM - thats short for personal message from CRAIG A.
bloods thicker than water.
Nice Gene hat's off.
Ps;
i have tried to settle this three times with offers to the owner.
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Posted 30 December 2012 - 06:28 PM
God i hope so
Grant if i lived in sydney i would sort this out in an instant trust me
And i dont care who i upset
Grant if i lived in sydney i would sort this out in an instant trust me
And i dont care who i upset
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Posted 30 December 2012 - 07:06 PM
a mate of mine once got a mate of his over my house we are down the shed i go to the toilet come back and this prick is sitting in my car, so i walk over and told him to go up the house and finger my misses, he then looks at me strangley, thats when i say get the frOck out of my car and of my frOcking property. craig should really have a chat with him then.
dont let people push you around grant and gene you go man
cheers gong.
dont let people push you around grant and gene you go man
cheers gong.
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Posted 30 December 2012 - 07:27 PM
Thats bullshit if it was my car been held he would be sporting several broken bones i shit you not and i dont give a frOck whos brother it is frOckin panel shop owners are all frOckin arseholes had this tryed on me years ago just told him straight is your life worth a car i dont take crap from no one
hope you go well in court grant
this forum needs a "like" button
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Posted 31 December 2012 - 09:21 AM
this forum needs a "like" button
^^^ +1 or a ROFLMFAOPMSL button
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 06:50 PM
F0cking Not really keen on blokes fingering my missus, sitting in my car or sneaking behind my back.
here is my number if you need it again, call me 0401816661 . you know who you are and hear all the facts although it may hurt your ears.
another 30 bucks
here is my number if you need it again, call me 0401816661 . you know who you are and hear all the facts although it may hurt your ears.
another 30 bucks
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 04:31 PM
Were back.
A settlement was reached yesterday.
A settlement was reached yesterday.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:05 PM
how did it pan out mate ???
cheers gong
cheers gong
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 06:52 PM
Do tell mate. Seems like a f ucked up situation that I'm all to familiar with... I hate dealing with business's full stop....
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 07:09 PM
Good news grant now you finish lucky
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 07:26 PM
I hope anyway.
I've been waiting months to see what Lime Green Metallic looks like.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:13 AM
Hi Grant,
Thats good news mate so we will see the car soon when finished.
Regards John.
Thats good news mate so we will see the car soon when finished.
Regards John.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:27 PM
hope all ended well mate .thats no good hearing stuff like that .
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 07:22 PM
Were back.
A settlement was reached yesterday.
Sensational news Grant, looking forward to seeing the rebuild.......
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 10:08 AM
Hi Grant,
Have you picked up the car,and have you got it home now mate.
Regards John.
Have you picked up the car,and have you got it home now mate.
Regards John.
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 10:29 AM
Time for a new name for the car , Lucky doesn't seem right .
Edited by threeblindmice, 27 January 2013 - 10:32 AM.
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