Hi all,
As a trade qualified painter, I think that there is a need for all forum member to have access
to Safe Usage information of paint products especially 2 Pack,
2k and other 2 part paints containing Isocyanate Products.
This is a draft and I will post more MSDS information as I get it,
I will get the information sheets from our paint suppliers,
and scan and post these on the forum.
2 Pack, 2k and other 2 Part Industrial (including cabinet making paints) and Automotive paints.
I have attached a MSDS links below.
Quote
"These coatings are supplied in two parts that are mixed
before use. Isocyanates are found in the hardener component ( usually Part B ). A number
of names are used to describe isocyanate hardeners including polymeric isocyanate and
isocyanate pre-polymer.
The main hazard associated with isocyanates is respiratory sensitisation. Sensitisation
may occur after a single high exposure or after longer term exposure at lower
concentrations. Once a person becomes sensitised, any exposure to isocyanates (even
extremely small doses) is likely to result in asthma-like symptoms including chest
tightness, breathlessness and wheezing. Such attacks have on rare occasions resulted in
death."
MSDS that I have found online.
http://pc.dupont.com/dpc/en/US/html/visitor/common/pdfs/b/product/dr/MSDS/US_en_GNRC_12-0_RFN.pdf
http://www.aioh.org.au/conference/2009/Downloads/ConcurrentAbstracts/2_3SMcGurty.pdf
I have also added a basic paint information booklet from HiChem about 2 Pack paints,
http://www.hichem.com.au/hicheminfo/System%20Books/2%20PACK%20booklet.pdf
This has information on 2 Pack Red Primer, 2 Pack High Build Primer Filler, 2 Pack Polyester Spray Putty,
2 Pack Iso-Free Primer Isolator, 2 Pack Finishing Putty, 1 K Primer.
Please post any questions you have regarding Personal Protective Equipment
and other issues regarding the safe usage of these paints.
I am posting all this information so all forum members can have the information they need to
make choices about the safe usage of these products.
I have seen many examples of trade qualified painters that get lazy in the use of paints,
and have suffered nasty outcomes for it.
One painter I worked with, in his mid 50's very lazy about wearing his mask,
when mixing and painting, he had shortness of breath, asthma like symptoms,
now has a fortnightly check up with a cardiac specialist due to chemical damage of his lungs and heart,
he was never a smoker, and has the lungs of a pack a day smoker.
Another example, a young painter that I know,
was lazy about saftey mixing and using 2 pack, has Solvent and Isocyanate sensitivity.
he won the Queensland Apprentice of the Year Award at 19 years old,
at the age of 22 had to quit painting,
and can not be exposed to solvents or isocyanates
or he has major asthma attacks,
which has ended up with him being in hospital on oxygen.
Please read and inform your self of the risks,
and please work safely with paints.
Cheers
Chris.
Automotive and Industrial MSDS Information
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, Oct 20 2010 09:10 AM
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Posted 20 October 2010 - 09:47 AM
Please post any questions you have regarding Personal Protective Equipment
and other issues regarding the safe usage of these paints.
It's great to see you care enough to post this.
I've been involved in OHS in the workplace and everybody should be aware of MSDS and know the risks and protection required for the products they're dealing with. With some chemicals you can get away with a one off usage without noticeable effect but if you're working day in day out you really need to look into PPE (personal protective equipment).
Many in industry are lazy and even don't want to look like a sissy with PPE but health is a priority. I always use eye glasses and ear plugs when using just about all machinery and surprised to see some people using dust masks when they should be using filtered respirators for chemicals/sprays.
I'll even put on the non-disposable type respirator when I'm at home if the conditions get too dusty, I may look like a geek but disposable dust masks are hopeless for the seal around my nose, breathing in house dust makes my tongue go dry & itchy and severely affects my breathing.
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Posted 20 October 2010 - 10:28 AM
You're right in that people should have access to MSDS sheets on what they are dealing with, information is power. If you ever need an MSDS on just about any chemical, search for it here:
Sigma Aldrich
When we have undergrads enter the chem labs we made them fill out an MSDS sheet for every chemical they will handle in the lab and thats when it all used in fume cupboards, nothing is allowed on bench tops these days. Some would say this is scare mongering but just remember 3,787 (confirmed from immediate contact) people died (and many thousand others affected) from isocyanate (though not the same isocyanate as used in 2K) injestion from the Bhopal disaster
Sigma Aldrich
When we have undergrads enter the chem labs we made them fill out an MSDS sheet for every chemical they will handle in the lab and thats when it all used in fume cupboards, nothing is allowed on bench tops these days. Some would say this is scare mongering but just remember 3,787 (confirmed from immediate contact) people died (and many thousand others affected) from isocyanate (though not the same isocyanate as used in 2K) injestion from the Bhopal disaster
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Posted 20 October 2010 - 10:42 AM
I find it difficult to understand how in this day and age anyone can get away with this ? All staff are responsible for their own health and safety but if these guys end up dead or seriously injured by incorrect techniques or lack of PPE then the business owner is going to be in deep !!
Different for back yard guys i suppose, but any business owner or Manager not providing or enforcing correct procedure and protection is asking for it.
Good info Chris..
Different for back yard guys i suppose, but any business owner or Manager not providing or enforcing correct procedure and protection is asking for it.
Good info Chris..
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Posted 20 October 2010 - 12:12 PM
comes back to duty of care skap
the employer just has to provide the ppe and info
it's up to you to read and apply how you use it
most do and give you a hard time but at the end of the day they cannot look after you like a child
as you have reached the age of concent and are expected to look out for your own saftey
the employer just has to provide the ppe and info
it's up to you to read and apply how you use it
most do and give you a hard time but at the end of the day they cannot look after you like a child
as you have reached the age of concent and are expected to look out for your own saftey
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Posted 20 October 2010 - 12:20 PM
at the end of the day they cannot look after you like a child
as you have reached the age of concent and are expected to look out for your own safety
That's correct and even if a company has as many warning signs, barriers, protective measures in place as possible, those who injure themselves on the job still have the right to sue the company.
Sad but true.
If you see a worker who won't adhere to safety rules the best thing to do is fire them before they injure themselves or anyone else.
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Posted 20 October 2010 - 10:36 PM
You're right in that people should have access to MSDS sheets on what they are dealing with, information is power.
Product manufacturers, suppliers and retailers are required by law to have MSDS's readily available so all you have to do is ask for the MSDS for the product you are buying and they should be able to give you one.
I am required by law to have MSDS's for all the solvents, glues and sealants that I use on jobs, in my vehicle at all times so if a WH&S officer asks I can produce them or get kicked off the job site.
It is the employers responsibility to ensure that employees are supplied with and read all applicable MSDS info for the products they are required to use and also to ensure that employees use all appropriate PPE for the job and if an employee refuses to wear the PPE then said employee cannot be allowed to perform the task. Unfortunately an employees' refusal or negligence to wear all appropriate PPE does not relieve an employer of any responsibility.
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Posted 21 October 2010 - 12:07 AM
It is the employers responsibility to ensure that employees are supplied with and read all applicable MSDS info for the products they are required to use and also to ensure that employees use all appropriate PPE for the job and if an employee refuses to wear the PPE then said employee cannot be allowed to perform the task. Unfortunately an employees' refusal or negligence to wear all appropriate PPE does not relieve an employer of any responsibility.
That would be the safe work method statement.
No job got done in our place without one.
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Posted 21 October 2010 - 10:30 AM
You're right in that people should have access to MSDS sheets on what they are dealing with, information is power.
Product manufacturers, suppliers and retailers are required by law to have MSDS's readily available so all you have to do is ask for the MSDS for the product you are buying and they should be able to give you one.
I am required by law to have MSDS's for all the solvents, glues and sealants that I use on jobs, in my vehicle at all times so if a WH&S officer asks I can produce them or get kicked off the job site.
It is the employers responsibility to ensure that employees are supplied with and read all applicable MSDS info for the products they are required to use and also to ensure that employees use all appropriate PPE for the job and if an employee refuses to wear the PPE then said employee cannot be allowed to perform the task. Unfortunately an employees' refusal or negligence to wear all appropriate PPE does not relieve an employer of any responsibility.
true
but if it can be proved that the employee didn't take "resonable" steps to protect him/herself and has not used the approprate ppe
where it is avilable and instruction given
then thier compensation can be nullifed or reduced
anyway where heading off topic and into "oh+s" and workplace laws now
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