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[eyepeeler]

Not much to report on the Torana, most of the front sub frame parts have arrived and waiting to go in. I'm picking up a set of CP5555 calipers this week and will be sorting the rotor out this week as well.

Long week end provides a good opportunity to work on a project car, just as good is a weekend of camping with the family. We went to a camp ground on a lake just outside Chidlow. Nice spot, this pic taken early in the morning.

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Just out of interest, I thought you guys might be interested in a car that is sitting next to my Torana, its a late model Monaro being built for IP as well. The cage has been done, not as many bars as the Torana, but trying to save weight.

 

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The steering column mounts have been fabricated and the pedal box has been mounted to the firewall, as you can see the holes for the cylinders are cut out.

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The sealant has been wire brushed away as the plan is to stich the strut towers at the seams with the mig welder. Got a bit of stich welding to do inside the cabin as well.

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[eyepeeler]

This weekend I will be putting the sub frame together with help from Welby (A9X). The pic is the parts I have got together to do it. I picked up the AP Racing calipers CP5555 yesterday, thanks to LXSS350 for putting me onto them, they really look good. The hubs arrived today from MSF, HQ pattern and bearing spacers. Dobinson 1150 pound spring and Bilstein shocks to rated to suit. A9X steering arms from Harrop and Super Pro bushes. Plus Moog ball joints.

 

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Edited by eyepeeler, 06 June 2013 - 08:27 PM.

[dattoman]

Tasty bits

[A9X]

That lot should keep me busy

[eyepeeler]

The missus is providing lunch and a constant supply of Bundaberg Ginger Beer followed by a few Stones after the day is done. No need to byo.  

That lot should keep me busy

[dattoman]

If I wasn't busy Sunday

And you had some Mars Bars

I'd be persuaded to come help

[tsn007]

Hi

 

What steering rack will you be using ?

[eyepeeler]

Hi Datto, I'll keep the Mars Bars in mind for later on!!

If I wasn't busy Sunday

And you had some Mars Bars

I'd be persuaded to come help

 

I will be using a LX SLR rack. Don't have the part number on me right now, but can get it later if you want??

Hi

 

What steering rack will you be using ?

 

 

Today was a shit day, that's being kind!!! Nothing went right and Welby and I got no where. Just an example is the painting I did on the sub frame parts, I prepped the parts as instructed by Protec in Welshpool and some good that was. With some of the other things that went wrong today I found that with a couple of nicks in the new paint I could get my finger nail under a leading edge and peel sheets of paint off. to say I am pissed is an understatement!! Some parts seem ok but the upper arms is where I found it to be the worst.

Welby's lad is going to help me out and paint it again tomorrow. Nice of him to do that for me. Will catch up later in the week and have another go at it. Thanks to Welby for putting up with me in trying conditions.

 

GRRRRRRRRR

[eyepeeler]

Contact Protec head office in Adelaide with your issues.
 
They will be glad to hear from you. Always looking out for dealers giving the wrong info, which is all this can be as its a fantastic product.
 
Cheers.

Hi Bomber, you know I'm not sure if they gave wrong info or the prep I did was insufficient. Some parts seemed to be ok and the paint stuck. The paint was something I had not used before. It is Automotive Paint 383, and thinned with R303. I have used their QD 300 spray enamel at work a bit with no problems and I once sprayed a trailer with QD 100 enamel.
Their is enough info on paints in this forum so I might have to read up a bit more on what others have done. No problem though, just fix what is wrong and move on.

[eyepeeler]

Sorry its Automotive paint 363      NOT 383

[A9X]

and today its cold and damp, so no paint today.

:(

[Punchy]

But theres nothing stopping you all keeping warm with some bundy's and a few warm thoughts of racing !

[A9X]

Think the lad has it covered.

 

all will be fine.

[eyepeeler]

But theres nothing stopping you all keeping warm with some bundy's and a few warm thoughts of racing !

I'm hear'n ya mate. I got the yellow one out to go for a blast through the Perth Hills. That always cures most ailments.

 

Last time I had that issue was because I got the surface too smooth.  Too fine a sand paper, the other time was using an orbital pad sander.  Both resulted in too smooth and poor adhesion.  Just a thought.

You know that thought did cross my mind as well. The upper control arms and the shaft were wire brushed prior to priming. They were not far from what I would call a smooth surface?? Maybe that??

 

What did you prep the steel with and did you use their recommended primer?

It was primed with an etch primer and then painted with that paint I mentioned before. The black paint used the R303 Reducer. I thought I did it properly, maybe I didn't do it good enough??

 

Think the lad has it covered.

 

all will be fine.

Thanks and a carton of his choice will be going to Welby's lad for painting it for me. All the parts are at his place at the moment anyway, that's where we ended up last night.

 

I'm sure I will get the painting cars thing down pat by the time it gets to put the colour paint on the car!!!  

[eyepeeler]

I have asked help from Bomber Watson for paint advice. I'm not sure what primer was used by the blaster guy and so Bomber asked me to rub some R103 Protec General Prupose Thinners on a patch to see how it reacts. This is the result.

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After. The primer has been removed.

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This is the primer I was told to use by Protec in Welshpool.

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I was planning to use this primer on the panels I have finished sanding back. Will be checking with Bomber before I do anything!!! 

[eyepeeler]

Hi Ned, thanks for the compliment on my Torana. The "Sainz" bar was certainly considered as was the Reinforcement bar between the Main Hoop and Lateral Half Roll bar. Both I decided against as the"Sainz" bar it made it very difficult for the driver to get in and out of the car, in fact it was impossible for me to do it, and the Reinforcement bar fouled the seat.

 

Below is a pic of what it would look like with the "Sainz" bar, not a lot of room.

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The Monaro does have a cross in the Main Hoop, if you have another look, as the harness bar does not go all the way across to the other side of the hoop. The cross goes from the base of the hoop on the passenger side to the top of the hoop on the driver side as per Drawing J-5 in Schedule J Safety Cage Structures from CAMS. Below is a link to CAMS Schedule J for you to look at. The relevant rule is 12.2.1 a (i) Competition with Driver only. Drawing J-5 or J-6 would be a minimum.

http://docs.cams.com...le_J_2013-6.pdf

 

Up until recently IP or Group 3J Improved Production had their own slant on safety cages, things like the bars not being allowed to extend outside the passenger compartment for instance. They now use the CAMS document in it's entirety. So you will see me putting a bar through the firewall and up to the engine mounts really soon.

 

 

 

 

Your torana looks nice, top work.  The sort of thing I'd love to build and then race. One day...

 

Two bars I like in the Monaro are the 'Sainz' bar, and the bar from the main hoop to front leg (next to drivers right ear). Both (obviously) reduce the unsupported length the front leg which is a critical area.  Have you through about bars there?

 

You can debate the bar from the main hoop to front leg (next to drivers right ear) a little as your head could hit it hard in a stack, but a Sainz bar has no real downside I can see apart from weight.

 

 

EDIT: Re the Monaro - Does IP allow you to run without a cross in the main hoop?

 

[eyepeeler]

Didn't get that far today as I had a massive head ache. I wanted to get the door that I have been working on with the filler primed. Bomber Watson has been a great help with choosing a paint to use. What I have used today is Epotec 408 2k Epoxy Primer. I think it went on reasonably well. Thanks to Bomber for his help and Yella-5000, Viper and Ice for comments.

Had a good chat on the phone with Ice the other night, good bloke.

 

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It's the first time I have painted with a 2k paint. Bomber has told me that I can use filler over this primer. The other primer which will be used over the filler/Epotec 408 is Carmaster primer/filler. I read the tech data sheet on that and it has to have the top coat put on within 72 hours of it being used. So I won't use that till I'm ready for that.

 

Hope to head round to Welby's place tomorrow to re-visit the sub frame. All being well we should be able to screw it all together and I can take it home and out of his shed. He need the room for his build. Can't wait for him to get it done so we can go for a blast in our Yellow one's.

Edited by eyepeeler, 15 June 2013 - 06:20 PM.