Guys I have a quicksilver Shifter in the LX and its never had the reverse safety switch thingee in it,I just bought 2 x B&M reverse Safety Switches( part no 80629) I was told I need to use 2 of these,one for reverse lights and one to stop it starting while in gear and the 2 switches are to be stacked one ontop of the other.
Is this correct?
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Posted 20 November 2011 - 08:41 PM
Thanks mate,I just wanted proper confirmation on this,we will be wiring these up tomorrow.
Does one particular switch have to be designated for start up lockout and one for reverse lights, ie the bottom switch have to be for reverse lights or visa versa, the reason I ask is cause of where the cut outs are on the shifter that the switches steel arms slide into when moving the shifter
Does one particular switch have to be designated for start up lockout and one for reverse lights, ie the bottom switch have to be for reverse lights or visa versa, the reason I ask is cause of where the cut outs are on the shifter that the switches steel arms slide into when moving the shifter
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Posted 20 November 2011 - 08:48 PM
Ok now your testing my memory.
Reverse is the top one on my pro ratchet, been ages since i've looked at a megashifterr.
If you have access to a multimeter you can just set it to beep with continuity, fit the switches, and go through the gearsr seeing where each one beeps.
The one for reverse shoudl beep when your in reverse, the one for start cut out will beep in park and neutral.
Cheers.
Reverse is the top one on my pro ratchet, been ages since i've looked at a megashifterr.
If you have access to a multimeter you can just set it to beep with continuity, fit the switches, and go through the gearsr seeing where each one beeps.
The one for reverse shoudl beep when your in reverse, the one for start cut out will beep in park and neutral.
Cheers.
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Posted 20 November 2011 - 08:49 PM
They are both on/off switches, so I doubt it would make a difference.
[EDIT] The two switches should be able to be put in either position on the shifter is what I meant.
[EDIT] The two switches should be able to be put in either position on the shifter is what I meant.
Edited by CHOPPER, 20 November 2011 - 08:51 PM.
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Posted 21 November 2011 - 07:14 PM
the cut-outs will make it pretty obvious which switch does what.
Reverse will have mostly a window (they are a normally OPEN switch - so power will flow through it only when the trigger is pressed in (listen for the click)) and only 1 spot where the lever will click inwards,
Cut out will have lots of windows (only raised to switch the switch when in park and neutral).
Dont be afraid to bend the little trigger arms (metal arms with a bend in it to rub against the metal/windows) to make sure it activates but more importantly DE-activates when you move the shifter.
Click it with your finger nail, and i find a bit of -pre load- on the arm works well!
Good luck with it!
Reverse will have mostly a window (they are a normally OPEN switch - so power will flow through it only when the trigger is pressed in (listen for the click)) and only 1 spot where the lever will click inwards,
Cut out will have lots of windows (only raised to switch the switch when in park and neutral).
Dont be afraid to bend the little trigger arms (metal arms with a bend in it to rub against the metal/windows) to make sure it activates but more importantly DE-activates when you move the shifter.
Click it with your finger nail, and i find a bit of -pre load- on the arm works well!
Good luck with it!
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Posted 22 November 2011 - 10:40 AM
I have the wires there now at the shifter for reverse lights(2 green wires) but I cant find the 2 wires for the reverse lockout?,theres supose to be 2 brown wires coming off the ignition but I cant see them.
My car WAS manual before which is why these wires are not at my shifter and looking at my workshop manual it should be 2 x brown wires coming off ignition somewhere??
My car WAS manual before which is why these wires are not at my shifter and looking at my workshop manual it should be 2 x brown wires coming off ignition somewhere??
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Posted 22 November 2011 - 06:51 PM
Find the wire that runs to your starter solenoid, the little one. This is the trigger wire.
Run it through the park/neutral switch, then to the starter solenoid.
Drink a beer.
Job done
Cheers.
Run it through the park/neutral switch, then to the starter solenoid.
Drink a beer.
Job done
Cheers.
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Posted 24 November 2011 - 09:19 PM
on mine (LH torana) neutral start wires are purple they should be same area as the green back up wires
sorry just noticed you said car was originally manual
sorry just noticed you said car was originally manual
Edited by SLR Goat, 24 November 2011 - 09:20 PM.
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 08:17 PM
Still not got the Reverse Safety Switch wired up due to wire confusion,the reverse lights are working though.
In my Max Ellery manual it says the reverse safety switch should be 2 brown wires?,from old posts on here guys are saying I need the purple wire for the reverse safety switch.
I traced the purple wire from the Ignition through the loom to my starter BUT also coming off the loom under the dash theres a purple wire the exact same colour purple going into my flasher box for the indicators!? so Im unsure if splicing into that purple wire is Correct= help..........
In my Max Ellery manual it says the reverse safety switch should be 2 brown wires?,from old posts on here guys are saying I need the purple wire for the reverse safety switch.
I traced the purple wire from the Ignition through the loom to my starter BUT also coming off the loom under the dash theres a purple wire the exact same colour purple going into my flasher box for the indicators!? so Im unsure if splicing into that purple wire is Correct= help..........
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 08:46 PM
Just tried wiring up to that Purple wire and I am wrong that is indeed for the indicators GRRRRRRRR!
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 08:47 PM
Yes you need to splice the wire that runs to the starter.
Cheers.
Cheers.
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 09:30 PM
Yes you need to splice the wire that runs to the starter.
Cheers.
I know and from what Seen the one going to the starter is purple then runs through the loom right up to the Ignition Barrel and I spliced into it at the Ignition loom end but all it did was stop the indicators working?.
After getting a good look at the wiring diagram here ( 22nd post down gives a clear PDF of it) http://www.gmh-toran...diagram-please/ is why I spliced that Purple wire
DOES the V8 LX and 6 CYL LX have much different wiring???
Edited by 76S.L.R, 29 November 2011 - 09:32 PM.
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 09:49 PM
Got me on that one.
Personally i'd run a new wire from the starter solenoid to one side of the switch, and add some wire to the wire that currently runs to the solenoid and run that to the other side. Foolproof that way.
Cheers.
Personally i'd run a new wire from the starter solenoid to one side of the switch, and add some wire to the wire that currently runs to the solenoid and run that to the other side. Foolproof that way.
Cheers.
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Posted 30 November 2011 - 12:41 AM
I know and from what Seen the one going to the starter is purple then runs through the loom right up to the Ignition Barrel and I spliced into it at the Ignition loom end but all it did was stop the indicators working?.
After getting a good look at the wiring diagram here ( 22nd post down gives a clear PDF of it) http://www.gmh-toran...diagram-please/ is why I spliced that Purple wire
DOES the V8 LX and 6 CYL LX have much different wiring???
Unfortunately there should be three purple wires in the harness under the dash. One from the turn signal switch to the flasher unit (the one you've found). One from the headlight switch to the front park lights and one from the ignition switch to the starter motor solenoid.
My suggestion is drop the steering column down and locate the purple wire at the ignition switch connector. If you can, remove the purple wire (female spade) from the connector. This can be done using a fine flat blade jewelers screwdriver inserted from the switch side of the connector block. Insert the screwdriver into the small opening at centre and directly above the spade connector to push down the locating tab. The wire and spade should then pull back out of the connector.
After you've removed the wire plug the connector back onto the ignition switch and try starting the engine. If the starter is dead then you've found the correct wire.
Now you should be able to cut the wire about an inch or two down from the spade and start splicing with your soldering iron and heat shrink. Or you could buy aftermarket spade connectors and insulating covers (similar to OEM ones) from Auto Barn, SuperCheap, etc and just plug it all together.
Then when you're done gently pries up the locking tab on the female spade and plug it back into the connector block.
If you need some pics let me know.
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Posted 30 November 2011 - 11:17 AM
Buggered if I know whats going on with my car but I only have one Purple wire in the Harness under the dash!?,though as I said before my car was originall manual many years ago,is this why I only have the one purple wire on the harness? .... still there has to be the wire from ignition to starter but at this time dont see what's the right one.
Looks like indeed I will have to drop the steering column and find it...........
Looks like indeed I will have to drop the steering column and find it...........
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Posted 30 November 2011 - 11:34 AM
You will also find the purple starter solenoid wire at the wiring connector plug in your engine bay, on the engine side of the brake booster, at the fire wall.
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Posted 30 November 2011 - 12:56 PM
I know it's been said but purple wires, there should be two next to the heater box that come down towards the console, on a manual car it'll have a plug on the end with a loop of wire coming out and back into the plug, on an auto this is where the loom plugs in for the shifter. That said most people modify this plug when putting alarms etc in so that may explain why you can't find it. Good luck!
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Posted 30 November 2011 - 07:24 PM
I know it's been said but purple wires, there should be two next to the heater box that come down towards the console, on a manual car it'll have a plug on the end with a loop of wire coming out and back into the plug, on an auto this is where the loom plugs in for the shifter. That said most people modify this plug when putting alarms etc in so that may explain why you can't find it. Good luck!
Im still yet to find this plug!!?, also guys now my damn B&M Shifter is really hard to shift,pulling it out of park is really hard,its lubed up and the cable isnt kinked or anything but its progressively gotten harder to shift it?.......
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Posted 30 November 2011 - 07:49 PM
I hate wires, so im out on the wiring side.
Re the shifter becoming hard to work, first try disconnecting it from the gearbox, try again.
Report back.
Cheers.
Re the shifter becoming hard to work, first try disconnecting it from the gearbox, try again.
Report back.
Cheers.
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Posted 30 November 2011 - 08:09 PM
I hate wires, so im out on the wiring side.
Re the shifter becoming hard to work, first try disconnecting it from the gearbox, try again.
Report back.
Cheers.
Just tried that,removed the cable from the shifter to rule out the cable/gearbox but no its the Quicksilver shifter itself,its really hard to get it out of gear ,doesnt slot into reverse as it should( doesnt click into reverse) and near impossible to shift it into drive?. Its like somehow the shifter mecanism is all buggered?,I tried to free it up with Silicone Oil but it did nothing, do you have to use that White grease( lithium Grease?) .I dont have any on hand but do have normal grease of which im guessing not to use
I looked again for that plug you guys keep talking about with the Purple wires near the heater box but bugger me my car does not have it!!?
Edited by 76S.L.R, 30 November 2011 - 08:10 PM.
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Posted 04 December 2011 - 03:47 PM
Now Im even more confused??,I dropped the column down enough to see inside and there a double wire coming out of the Ignition barrel( one black and one red) the black wire remains Black all the way down to the next loom plug but the red wire joins to a White Wire just behind the" Coffe Pot" this white wire also goes to the Loom Plug.
I cut that white wire but the car still turns over!!???? WTF?,I had an alarm in there many years ago but it was removed as it kept playing silly buggers which is why my wiring is altered and dont have that plug with the 2 Purple wires on it.
I cut that white wire but the car still turns over!!???? WTF?,I had an alarm in there many years ago but it was removed as it kept playing silly buggers which is why my wiring is altered and dont have that plug with the 2 Purple wires on it.
Edited by 76S.L.R, 04 December 2011 - 03:48 PM.
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Posted 04 December 2011 - 06:06 PM
Given your level of confusion in finding the right wire under the dash, why not do as others have suggested and actually find the purple wire that connects to the starter solenoid,(whatever colour it is - perhaps a previous owner changed it so it would confuse someone hot wiring it). Disconnect that wire from solenoid and run it to your switch and then a wire back to the solenoid, or trace it back into the dash area and cut in to it there.
Some have referred to splicing a wire in.....dont like that, it can be inferred as adding another branch in parallel to the circuit, you are putting your switch in series with the starter solenoid.
Some have referred to splicing a wire in.....dont like that, it can be inferred as adding another branch in parallel to the circuit, you are putting your switch in series with the starter solenoid.
Edited by torbirdie, 04 December 2011 - 06:17 PM.
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