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Roll On Roll Off Shipping - damage

Started by StephenSLR , Nov 29 2011 12:13 PM

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#1 StephenSLR

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 12:13 PM

I saw this on another forum with regard to Roll On Roll Off Shipping

"Here I've for sale what's left of my 1979 Special 10th Anniversary Pontiac Firebird Trans Am this car was and still is a 100% rust free TA. 78,000 miles on the clock. I purchased this vehicle just on 2 months ago, and while shipping RORO by H#### #########s the damage you see occurred.
But at least they said sorry, NOT! the asking price is to cover my freight - towing - ports fees etc etc."

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 12:23 PM

More common than you think, heavy seas can do terrible things.

I used to send 100 tonne forklift tractors (so minus mast etc) via RORO all over the world, some of the things that happen are just unbelievable.

Should have had shipping insurance, stupid not to IMO.

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 12:27 PM

Small world...I know the guy who owned that car....he was recommended to use us (an employee of his knows us) originally but got a "deal" on the RO/RO and went with it...unfortunately you can see what happened.

He bought a replacement Trans Am and I just shipped it over for him a few weeks ago actually... (via container of course...the only way to go IMO)

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 12:28 PM

Yeah, you'd think you'd have shipping insurance....

Must have been pretty violent sees to snap the tie down cables

Jeff, with a container, what makes it safer? Will you just strap the car down better?

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 12:39 PM

You do know that containers can fall off ships? And once they do, they are required by international law to sink them so the y don't cause issues for other vessels.

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 12:43 PM

they are required by international law to sink them so the y don't cause issues for other vessels.

I thought floating shipping containers was a myth, I doubt they're airtight, they'd sink straight to the bottom wouldn't they?

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 12:47 PM

they would float for a little bit, but most containers Ive used/packed (again, while transport coordinator for a container fork company) sealed reasonably well, but not enough to keep air and water out if they were submerged.

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 12:48 PM

Not always. There is a large volume of air in the containers and they are not always loaded with heavy shit. If you go to 610 Kings St Melbourne, there is a shipping firms HQ and they have several photos of containers bobbing in the ocean after going for an unplanned swim.

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 12:52 PM

You can find a few shipping containers bobbing off our coast at the moment...

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 12:58 PM

You can find a few shipping containers bobbing off our coast at the moment...

They're still there?

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 01:53 PM

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 02:25 PM

A container packed with something bouyant would more than likely float.

A container packed with cars or machinery? straight to the bottom me thinks.

good read here-
http://www.sail-worl...d=0&tickerCID=0

they will sink, but slowly?

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 02:33 PM

Yeah, you'd think you'd have shipping insurance.... Must have been pretty violent sees to snap the tie down cables Jeff, with a container, what makes it safer? Will you just strap the car down better?

Stuff is safer, in that no one is just walking around it when ever they wish...not going to get dirty or marked, and yes..I tie stuff down in the containers as well. (normally RORO stuff would be too obviously..) once I load the container, a seal gets put on the door and the only way it will be opened is by Customs if they want to check it. With RORO, the vehicles are sitting down at the port just in a parking lot until they get loaded..and people around them while on the ship too.
I heard of a guy who sent a motorhome RORO years ago, and when it got to Oz, there was greasy boot prints on the carpet inside, all over the place..obviously dock workers having a look around... (I did send a 5th wheel camper roro once, but locked it before dropping it off..and that was just because the buyer wanted to go that way instead of flat racking it...)

And yes, containers do fall off...and yes they will float for a time. Where I used to load containers years ago..one of the owners had a mate who worked for the coast guard on a ship that had a huge harpoon sorta gun that was made just for sinking containers (they patrolled the port of LA and Long Beach area)

That said...in all the years I have done this, I've never had a container fall off a ship,, (or known anyone personally who had it happen either)

they would float for a little bit, but most containers Ive used/packed (again, while transport coordinator for a container fork company) sealed reasonably well, but not enough to keep air and water out if they were submerged.

Correct..the containers have air holes...believe they have to, to be able to breathe and equalize pressure inside with the large variance in temperatures they encounter...going over the equator, etc.

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 03:10 PM

The pressure is a good point, if it was air tight, it would buckle when going from one climate to another.

Container seals were a pain in my arse, half the time they would rock up with them, half the time without and it was a shitfight to get the paperwork done without a seal number.

Flat racks were always good fun though, 20' flatracks were near impossible to get at one stage in Australia.

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 03:42 PM

I did a few flat racks...40' ones that is years ago when I was doing a bunch of motorhomes and 5th wheels at one time. I'll just stick with good ol' 40' high cubes though...just finished loading 6 of them a week ago...and still have a couple of boats and a car down at the warehouse for when I get abit more stuff to send along with them...then another big batch of them in a couple months time.

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 04:06 PM

Are you in good with the shipping companies Jeff?
Get all your containers placed low down and to the middle these days?

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#17 _LS1 Hatch_

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 04:10 PM

Nope...I have no say so in the least where they go on the ships...

I just get them trucked on down to the wharf when I'm done loading and it's in the steam ship lines' hands from there until we get them picked up from the wharf in Melbourne to unload..

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 04:58 PM

Shouldn't the title be :

Roll On Roll Off Shipping - CARNAGE !

sorry but had too... :furious:

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#19 StephenSLR

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 07:03 AM

Saw this in reply on another forum:

I have used RORO many a time and never had any issues.

It's not a matter of being cheap, it's just simple economics.

RORO - the car is driven onto the ship and then strapped down, reverse at the other end.

CONTAINER- Car driven into container guys climbs out window straps car down amoungst other cars and parts and then locks the container doors. Container forklifted onto truck and transported to shipping yard. Container craned onto boat, reverse the other end.

More time, resources, and man power for a container load means more $$$'s, pretty simple really

You have just as much chance of a strap letting go in a container as you do on a ships deck.

Here's an example - to get out of a car in a container means climbing out the window = damaging paint work and panel depending on who's loading it

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When a strap breaks, the car rubs up and down the side of the container for the whole trip as well as banging into the car forward or rear of it

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How do I know, I've seen it 1st hand many a time

Not to mention container issues full stop

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Containers can also take a long time to arrive due to shipping arrangements

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Yes RORO has it's issues as well, but how do you think every BMW, Mercedes, SAAB, FIAT, Toyota etc... arrives in Australia ???
Not by container, that's for sure... by RORO

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And all you have to do is pick it up from the dock after customs have had a gander and away you drive.

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 11:36 AM

FWIW...that is why blocking the wheels side to side in the container is worth while...

Of course I can't speak for how everyone else does things..and there are no middle men with me.. It's either myself, or myself and my mate loading every single container, and he unloads every single container...(and I've helped unload a few when I've been over there of course too)

Oh, and I realize RORO is how all new cars get moved from country to country, but I imagine they get abit more care with being tied down than the guy with the Trans Am got as well. You don't see new cars mixed in with the stuff in the above pics that got bounced around.

Stuff can get damaged no matter what you do or how carefull you are of course, but the T/A that started this thread wouldn't have had that happen to it, even if it did move around somewhat in a container, I reckon..
And the guy who it happened to, must agree since I have his car floating to Oz, inside a container right now

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 12:12 PM

the cougar ace is a grand exa,ple of what can go wrong with RORO shipping in a worst case scenario

http://en.wikipedia....i/MV_Cougar_Ace

lucky they were only mazdas

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 08:07 PM

It caused $117M of improvements.

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 08:32 PM

thats not the tow truck from the castle is it?

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 08:33 PM

I think you're dreaming.

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 08:55 PM

Seriously, 2500kg ratchet straps are like $25 each.

Why the frOck would you not have used four of them in any kind of shipping???

If you can ship a 1 tonne car with four 2500kg straps holding it down and one broke i'd be contacting the manufacturer....

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