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LH Fuel Tank/Cell Photos & Help

Started by Stedz_lc , Jan 05 2012 01:07 AM

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#1 Stedz_lc

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Posted 05 January 2012 - 01:07 AM

Hey Guys
lookin for anyone who has moded the stock tank with a rear sump/pickup on the bottom,
or photos of the 90litre tank by brown davis (does it sit much lower) Lookin at ways to modify the stock tank
and basically some how squeeze a fuel pump under the car with the pick up so fuel pump doesn't have to pull fuel up in
the boot if possible!
Any ideas and photos would be great of both fuel pump mounts and fuel tanks/cells
Cheers
Ed

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#2 _j.e.d._

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Posted 05 January 2012 - 10:50 AM

http://www.aussiev8....ollover-10.html

not sure if this helps? Saw it the other day..just scroll down a little to the Fuel System post..

Edited by j.e.d., 05 January 2012 - 10:51 AM.

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#3 _V6 UC_

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 07:34 PM

75L cell in my uc, all legal and engineered in WA. Just got a single 044 no need for lift pump or surge setup, which is what it replaced. Used to have undercar surge fed by facet from stock tank.
Got photos somewhere u need

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#4 ls2lxhatch

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 07:53 PM

So what happens when you hit the brakes?

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#5 _V6 UC_

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 07:59 PM

If it's really low u can hear pump starve a little. The tank is foam filled. I've got a fuel pressure gauge in my line of sight, never had any dramas

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 08:23 PM

Not a Torana tank, but a sump welded to the bottom of a steel tank with a -8 line out to a filter an on to the pump. There are just a few holes drilled in the bottom of the tank to feed the sump rather than the bottom being cut out above the sump.

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#7 _V6 UC_

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 08:37 PM

Thats a good idea, cheap and effective

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#8 _V6 UC_

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 08:43 PM

This is the old setup before I upgraded to 3/8 lines. Posted Image

Tank could of been alot smaller in heinsight

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#9 hanra

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 04:34 AM

75L cell in my uc, all legal and engineered in WA. Just got a single 044 no need for lift pump or surge setup, which is what it replaced. Used to have undercar surge fed by facet from stock tank.
Got photos somewhere u need

Is your boot totally sealed off from the cabin?

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#10 _V6 UC_

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 09:52 AM

Nope. I've Welded a filler neck on tho so it can be filled from behind the number plate still

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#11 hanra

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 10:07 AM

Wow... surprised you got it passed?

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#12 _V6 UC_

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 01:09 PM

Yeah I was a bit sketchy on It aswell. Engineer saw it on hoist, didn't even ask me to open the boot. Once he had signed it's ok there's dickall the dpi or pits can do. They sighted it wrote me another permit for my book n sent me on my merry way. I got a yellow for it in the firstplace so it makes it that much better haha

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#13 ls2lxhatch

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 02:50 PM

The DPI can overrule pit inspectors and engineers if required, the DPI has the final say on all modifications. There was a pit inspector last year that was taking bribes to pass vehicles, once discovered the vehicles he inspected were called back.

If an engineer has signed off on a modification that does not meet the regulations at the time the engineer inspected the car then the DPI can require the car to inspected.

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#14 _V6 UC_

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 04:49 PM

Now I think about it, yeah they wud have final decision. Everything is done properly tho, i don't like to do things dodgy on any of my cars

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#15 hanra

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 05:03 PM

But if the boot is not sealed from the cabin, in actual fact.. That is dodgy...

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#16 _V6 UC_

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 05:17 PM

Why is that? The cell is sealed inside the boot?

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#17 _AD_75_

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 05:21 PM

In QLD the rules state that if a fuel cell is to be mounted inside the boot then the boot must be sealed from the cabin, the two main issues are fumes and safety issues regarding if the fuel cell was ruptered in an accident allowing fuel to leak thru into the cabin. It also must be able to be filled from a point outside of the boot area which you have already done, im pretty sure this rule is incorporated in all states? so i dont know how yours was allowed to pass as is.

Edited by AD_75, 25 January 2012 - 05:29 PM.

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#18 hanra

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 11:34 PM

^^What he said^^

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#19 _V6 UC_

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 11:57 PM

I can see where you guys are coming from but why would a reputable engineer put his name there if it was unsafe or dodgy. It also went thru Warwick pits where it was again inspected after all photos/info were sent to the dpi and a permit was produced ?

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#20 ls2lxhatch

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 12:22 AM

Every day things that do not comply with the NCOP make it through the pits. Fuel cells will the filler in the boot, 6 point roll cages, drop tanks without certification and outside the departure angle, gearboxes and diffs without engineering. It is just luck of the draw.

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#21 _Bomber Watson_

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 12:40 AM

how does the stock LC/LJ setup pass??

Just has a bit of rubber hose joining the filler neck to the tank. Inside the boot. The fuel sender/pickup is also inside the boot.

Boot is not sealed.

This is why LC/LJ toranas always smell like fuel inside the car.

Now in QLD you cant have rubber fuel lines inside the car.....

Go figure....

Cheers.

Edited by Bomber Watson, 26 January 2012 - 12:41 AM.

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#22 _AD_75_

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 12:57 AM

I can see where you guys are coming from but why would a reputable engineer put his name there if it was unsafe or dodgy. It also went thru Warwick pits where it was again inspected after all photos/info were sent to the dpi and a permit was produced ?

I think the post i quoted below says volumes..perhaps the warwick pit inspector simply looked at the info you provided and did the same as your engineer.

Yeah I was a bit sketchy on It as well. Engineer saw it on hoist, didn't even ask me to open the boot.

I read a post lately over on the aussieV8 forums regarding fuel systems in the boot and why the cabin should be sealed, anyway somebody replied with this "As my engineer put it to me: "Do you wear a flame-proof race suit every time you get in the car?"

Seemed to make a lot of sense to me.. :dontknow:

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#23 _Bomber Watson_

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 01:00 AM

"As my engineer put it to me: "Do you wear a flame-proof race suit every time you get in the car?"

does that mean every LC/LJ owner should everytime they drive there stock standard car???

Cheersl

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#24 _AD_75_

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 01:20 AM

how does the stock LC/LJ setup pass??

Just has a bit of rubber hose joining the filler neck to the tank. Inside the boot. The fuel sender/pickup is also inside the boot.

Boot is not sealed.

This is why LC/LJ toranas always smell like fuel inside the car.

Now in QLD you cant have rubber fuel lines inside the car.....

Go figure....

Cheers.

Bomber i have asked that same question and was told that if its a factory setup in some vehicles and it's all functioning as it should be then there is nothing that can be faulted by an inspector..BUT if you have modified the fuel system components and are running them inside the boot then that is when you need to adhere to the fuel system component and fuel cell rules.

To be honest i think sealing the cabin is a good idea for a few reasons but having to have a fuel cell fill point outside of the boot area kinda irks me..which is what i like about Haydens setup.

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#25 ls2lxhatch

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 02:28 AM

The NCOP (WA) does allow a filler in the boot.

http://www.infrastru...1Jan2011_v2.pdf

The fuel filler inlet and cap should be located outside of the vehicle. Where an inlet is located inside a vehicle, it must not be inside the passenger compartment and the inlet must be separately sealed from the rest of the vehicle to ensure fumes do not enter the passenger cabin and that provisions are made to ensure any fuel spills are localized and drain outside the vehicle

However you will find that some petrol station attendants will not allow you to fill a fuel cell in the boot. even though I think early beetles had the filler in the boot.

Edited by ls2lxhatch, 26 January 2012 - 02:34 AM.