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[yel327]

Weren't the cars all complianced internally, ie GMH put their balls on the line and attached an ADR tag? No different to an electrician or plumber self regulating their own work.

 

I reckon it would be the same as a 308 in a cab-chassis. The RTA told me that the info they had on file stated that GMH never built 308 cab-chassis. I showed them documentation otherwise, including ID plates off real cars. If you had all the info it'd get passed - an Engineer would really have no choice.

[Tyre biter]

They probably were but they would still need to be 'lodged' I imagine - no different to self-cerification schemes for housing construction - the builder/architect asserts the plans comply (self-certifies) but the plans still need to be lodged with the relevant planning agency in order to have effect.  If this can be demonstrated to have occured then Al's position in relation to LJ's being permitted to have a V8s under the NCOP may well be upheld.

 

This is why I asked if any of the cars came with tags indicating a V8 was installed - it goes some way toward substantiating the cars were indeed manufactured to this specification.  It is the next step - lodgement/accreditation - which is important, and like most things, the onus of proof will be with the person presenting the car for registration in that guise. 

 

That is my take on it anyways...

 

Cheers, TB

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[yel327]

I just read it Al, good stuff. Glad to see it out there.

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[S pack]

I hear you Al but no, not convinced sorry - taking an entirely pragmatic position here on it mind you.

I submit that unless the model was presented to, and subsequently 'accredited' (there is that word again) by the vehicle standard/compiance mob of the day, then it was never 'released' per say.

Those three cars were in actuality, merely prototypes.

No different to the engineering hacks we see running about nowadays with those silly black and white colour schemes all over them - registered yes, but never submitted let alone released.

Now if you could somehow show that what with the production being all but two weeks out when canned, the cars in that specification (V8) had indeed been presented and endorsed by the relevant government agency then you may well have a case to take to those who administer the NCOP to permit V8's in LJs - the car had in fact been submitted for, and accredted in that guise. 

I do imagine however there will remain a sticking point around it never being released in that specification to which the authorities will cling tight.

Keep going you LJ sleuth you - if GM-H submitted the cars for accreditation and they still have the endorsed paperwork then you may well be on to something - assuming they wish to share it with you - best of luck with it. 

I'll go looking for that magazine - do you know when it hits the stands?

Cheers, TB

Craig, information I have read in regard to ADR compliance back in the '70s is that manufacturers didn't have to prove to any Govt body that their vehicles complied with the relevant ADR's of the day. If the manufacturers R&D showed complete compliance then they were allowed to fit a compliance plate. Manufacturer's have always basically been able to do whatever they want as long as they prove unto themselves their products comply with the relevant ADR's.

 

In the building industry it's called self certification, in the Auto industry VW call it cheating.

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Craig, information I have read in regard to ADR compliance back in the '70s is that manufacturers didn't have to prove to any Govt body that their vehicles complied with the relevant ADR's of the day. If the manufacturers R&D showed complete compliance then they were allowed to fit a compliance plate. Manufacturer's have always basically been able to do whatever they want as long as they prove unto themselves their products comply with the relevant ADR's.

 

In the building industry it's called self certification, in the Auto industry VW call it cheating.

That VW comment is funny Dave - credit to you - genuinely funny.

 

Your point on self-certification is exactly mine - GM-H seems to have self-certified - no issue - and yep, fit the compliance tags themselves as they would have or perhaps even continue to do without hindrance.

 

But, and I come back to this - they must, must, must have been obliged to have 'lodged' that self-certification in order for it to have had an effect - a legal effect if you will.

 

And that lodgement (I expect) is where the substantiation (or not) of any evidence exists as to the abilty to install a 308 V8 into a LJ per NCOP.

 

Notwithstanding the wonderful research that has portrayed that indeed GM-H did build these cars and perhaps even some survive today, nevertheless, the onus will rest on the person attempting to register a LJ with a 308 to provide that documentation - the self-certification/lodgement documents either issued by GM-H or received by the regulator of the day - eithher end of the equation will do.

 

Al has come a long, long way, and I reckon he is very well placed and sufficiently tenacious to attempt to achieve this outcome given the significance of that car and the emphasis placed nowadays on nostalgia - surely GM-H are keen, indeed very keen to participate and see this to fruition?

 

Cheers, TB

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[Tyre biter]

All you can do is ask Al.

 

Keep asking, and keep asking, and keep asking...

 

And remember:

1. If you dont ask, you don't get, and

2. The queaky wheel gets the oil.

 

I hope you get where I am coming from in terms of what needs be done from here.

 

Best of luck with it and keep us in the loop please.

 

Cheers, TB

[Collo]

Just read the AMC story. Good stuff mate. 

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[rodomo]

Congratulations Al! You deserve it mate!  (like a dog with a bone)

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[Redzone]

I imagine there will be a lot of 4/72 built white gtr owners trying to get in contact with you lol

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[S pack]

G/day Al,

 

Picked up a copy of AMC today. Good onya mate, most would have given up any hope of finding one of the prototypes years ago.

 

Personally I never believed the crash barrier story was true and you have proved my belief was justified.

 

Thanks AL for sharing real story.

 

Cheers

Dave.

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[u1 71]

Did you know what it was when you bought it AL,great find btw

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[Davis]

Congrats on the article Al, very interesting read. Curious what parts from the xw7 list are already fitted to the car and what parts do u need to make/find to make it as original as possible?

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