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[xu2308]

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[Potta]

Ok, gotcha.

 

I've lost track a bit over time.

[xu2308]

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[yel327]

What sort of dealer? I knew a bloke once that I suspect was a drug dealer who put a V8 in a Mazda.

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[RallyRed]

Hi Al,
Just found this in an old mag....guess you have seen it ?

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[xu2308]

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[Potta]

. No different to you putting a 253 today. There were tests done by Holden to decide if putting a v8 in a lj was safe and holden decided they were not. So some of these modified cars may be around. But they never came out of a Holden plant. Even the LH Bathurst L34 had larger HQ brakes and a wider offset gts rims to make safe. The L34 went on to win the manchamps in 74 Bathurst in 75 and in 76 the first 7 cars were L34. The GTR won one Bathurst in the wet and ford was second.

 

Whether some left the plant or not is still speculative and yet to be proven either way.

 

We know for sure that some left the dealer with a V8

 

And no GTR ever won Bathurst, It was a GTR-XU1.

 

It also came very close in 73 which was a dry race I believe.

 

And won plenty of other events.

 

But yeah, a V8 would have been handy.

[S pack]

. No different to you putting a 253 today. There were tests done by Holden to decide if putting a v8 in a lj was safe and holden decided they were not. So some of these went on

Holden did not decide the V8 LJ XU1 was unsafe .

It was the Motoring Press and Politicians that pressured GMH into scrapping the V8 XU1, therefore putting the kybosh on GMH fitting any V8 engine to an LJ Torana. What Holden dealers did was beyond the control of GMH.

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[Dr Terry]

Whether some left the plant or not is still speculative and yet to be proven either way.

 

We know for sure that some left the dealer with a V8

 

And no GTR ever won Bathurst, It was a GTR-XU1.

No V8 LJ ever left the 'plant'. By definition, the 'plant' is the production line. 

 

1 or 2 may have escaped GM-H as prototypes, but they were not built as V8s at the 'plant'.

 

All XU1s are GTRs, but not all GTRs are XU1s. So a GTR did win (in 1972).

 

Dr Terry

[Potta]

No V8 LJ ever left the 'plant'. By definition, the 'plant' is the production line. 

 

1 or 2 may have escaped GM-H as prototypes, but they were not built as V8s at the 'plant'.

 

All XU1s are GTRs, but not all GTRs are XU1s. So a GTR did win (in 1972).

 

Dr Terry

 

To me the plant is the factory and surrounds, but I guess what you say is true.

 

Also true that all XU1's are GTR's, but to me its like comparing a Sunbird to an A9X, they may look similar but the running gear was far from the same, especially early on.

 

But yeah no Sunbird is an A9X (unless the tags have been swapped lol), and no A9X is a Sunbird. 

[Dr Terry]

To me the plant is the factory and surrounds, but I guess what you say is true.

 

Also true that all XU1's are GTR's, but to me its like comparing a Sunbird to an A9X, they may look similar but the running gear was far from the same, especially early on.

 

But yeah no Sunbird is an A9X (unless the tags have been swapped lol), and no A9X is a Sunbird. 

The plants which built most XU1s were Elizabeth (Adelaide) & Arcacia Ridge (Brisbane), but Holden's engineering & service depts are in Port Melbourne,not really 'surrounds'.

 

A GTR- XU1 is a GTR with XU1 options, they are much more closely related than an A9X & a Sunbird.

 

Dr terry

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[yel327]

The plants which built most XU1s were Elizabeth (Adelaide) & Arcacia Ridge (Brisbane), but Holden's engineering & service depts are in Port Melbourne,not really 'surrounds'.

A GTR- XU1 is a GTR with XU1 options, they are much more closely related than an A9X & a Sunbird.

Dr terry

The Doc is spot on. XU1 is to GTR = A9X is to SLR5000 (or SS+L31).

It would have been interesting to see how the XU1 V8 was to be "packaged". Would it have been a simple package like HJ XX7 where it was added to the base vehicle and you had to option the bigger engine which then automatically came with discs, different box and bigger diff? Or would the XW? code have been used for the whole package, so today we'd all have been calling them XW7's or whatever it was, just like we refer to A9X's? Basically what i'm getting at using Holden examples, would it be Sandman or XX7? GTS350 sedan or XW8? V8 XU1 or XW7?

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[yel327]

What I meant Al was the hipo LH was meant to be called an SLR5000 L34 but gets called an L34. Same with the LX SLR5000 A9X, or SS A9X for that matter. Even the GTR XU1 gets called an XU1. Not much of this happens with Holdens though, only Toranas. Holdens seem to keep their name like Sandman ute or SS sedan or GTS sedan or GTS350 sedan. HD/R seem to get called X2 though which is essentially an engine option with other bits sort of like L34 although a little different. Holdens rarely get called by their option names of XX7, XU3, XV2, XV4 or XW8 respectively. Probably because their names are on their badges or tranfers, although the GTR XU1's name is on its transfers. So just wondering if given the common name for XU1's today seem to be LC XU1, LJ XU1 and if getting slightly more specific we might say LC CK XU1 or '72 Bathurst LJ or similar for a '73, even a 150 list LJ. Would we have called the V8 LJ a GTR XW7? Or just LJ XW7? Or V8 LJ XU1? We couldn't just say XU1 like we do for XU1, L34 and A9X, so maybe it would simply have been an XW7?

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[S pack]

What would GMH have named the V8 XU1 if it had been produced?

GTR XU1 of course. By 1972 'XU1' was more than just a production option code, it was the name of a Torana model variant in it's own right

 

Also, I doubt GMH would have made to many visual changes to the XU1 that would scream 'there is a 5L V8 Under this bonnet', esp if they had ignored the govt and the super car scare mongers and continued with production of the V8 XU1.

 

Just my thoughts

 

Cheers

Dave.

[yel327]

That may have been what GMH would have called it, just like the LH SLR5000 L34 that we the public call "the L34". What would we today have called the 5L LJ?

[Shiney005]

If it was the LJ XU1 V8, we may be just calling it The V8. A bit like La Ferrari.